Abramoff- about fricken time...

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<p>This is the kind of attitude that is putting fear into politicians all over. How do you prove that you are NOT corrupt? It is a hard thing to prove a negative.</p>

<p>For example, with Rep. Doolittle (devout Mormon), I understand that he has always been against and has voted against gambling when the issue comes up. Is it disingenuous for him to accept donations from one Indian tribe with current gaming ventures who wants to prevent further gaming licenses to be issued to future competitors and therefore supports Rep. Doolittle’s policies of no gaming? I think so, but certainly not illegal.</p>

<p>And as for his wife’s catering for Abramoff, as long as the payment for catering was not just a way to hide $$ payments (as was Rep. Cunningham’s house sale in Del Mar where a “buyer” paid $700,000 more than the house was worth), then where’s the illegality of that?</p>

<p>The problem for the Doolittles and a lot of people who had relations with Abramoff is that they will be considered guilty until proven innocent. And Abramoff has no incentive to paint anyone innocent.</p>

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<p>“The problem for the Doolittles and a lot of people who had relations with Abramoff is that they will be considered guilty until proven innocent. And Abramoff has no incentive to paint anyone innocent.”</p>

<p>I doubt the Justice Department would have been eager to cut such a good deal for Abramoff if he didn’t give them information that they believe won’t result in criminal charges against others. We’ll see…</p>

<p>What about Clinton?</p>

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<p>A preemptive, rhetorical, or a true question, mini?</p>

<p>Lead prosecuter of Abramoff, worked on Starr’s team, 95-96. According to Newsweek, this weeks newstand issue. Buy the issue to learn more.</p>

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<p>There is a saying, or whatever, watch the company you keep, if you associate with scum, well, you deserve some fallout. </p>

<p>And “disingenious”- nice way of saying liars, two-faced, and able to be bought off</p>

<p>Is that the kind of politicians the right wants, no matter how scuzzy and easily turned, they will take them?</p>

<p>If I remember correctly, everyone was all over Clinton for soooo much less, but if its your disingenious people, guess its okay dokey</p>

<p>Do you tell your kids, well, he is a petty theif, but its fine if you hang out with him? Um, she shoplifts but you can chill with her if you want?</p>

<p>Nice lesson. You hang with dirty people, and reep benefits from them, well, take it like a man and step up.</p>

<p>Nice family values people</p>

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<p>And once again, try and distract from the real issues, oh, lets see, lets bring up Unions to distract from scummy Abramoff. </p>

<p>Nice try.</p>

<p>Abramoff was on Bush’s transition team, one of less than 50 people in the inner circle</p>

<p>If that doesn’t mean influence and power, what does</p>

<p>He was smack dab in the center of everything and everyone he touched is tainted and has to prove otherwise</p>

<p>Gee, don’t we have people in jail for “terrorism” that have done nothing, but haven’t been given even the chance to see a lawyer, and you are all b(&%in about the poor rich folks having to defend themselves</p>

<p>It about time the the corruption by your elected officials, cause I certainaly didn’t vote for them, have to answer</p>

<p>And thank god the Justice Department isn’t full of Bush inept cronies, cause Goodness knows the “good job Brownies” we would be dealing with</p>

<p>Apparently, some things his appointies tried to squash, but people in the dpeartment had courgage and ethics, somethins the Bush administration and his ilk lack</p>

<p>So go ahead, talk about unions, whatever, talk about the scary evil teachers and plumbers, and nurses </p>

<p>Without unions we would be in the stoneage and anyone of you ever had a job that required manual labor for anything of time</p>

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<p>“A preemptive, rhetorical, or a true question, mini?”</p>

<p>There can never before enough "What about Clinton?"s. Even if you are not referring to Bill, there is always “that woman”. And if not she, there was DeWitt. ;)</p>

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It that is what you call this Greedy, Power hungry congressman, who has put many Californians at risk while he politicizes the flood control in our area. It is inappropriate for a member of congress or his immediate family to have business dealings with the lobbyists who are trying to influence him. Taking trips or box seats or other gifts should be avoided. During my legislative staff career, whenever someone offered me something that had even a slight appearance of conflict, I would call up our ethics office and ask. I remember when Monsanto asked me to come to a meeting out west, which was a go, until I found out it was going to take place at their box during the final four; then it was a no.</p>

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I miss him too!</p>

<p>I think we have to admire the Republican Party, their elected officials have only controlled congress for a few years and they have already taken this country for more than the Democrats could do in forty years. Whether it is the illegal acts that are being discussed here, or the multi-billion dollar add ons to the budget…they have certainly shown us which party knows how to handle money. These guys have been like sailors coming to port after a year at sea (no insult meant to the sailors out there) and now the country is about to wake up to a huge hangover.</p>

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<p>So Delay in on the committee to investigate the Justice Dpeartments investigation of Abramoff</p>

<p>and there are now picture of Jack and George chilling, and emails to boot</p>

<p>my but the President lies</p>

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<p>It would seem that the Republicans are tone deaf to any sense of irony.</p>

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<p>Just a matter of curiosity…and I know you can ask the same question of me…why is CC the place where you make your battle?</p>

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<p>We’re just trying to expose the options that people have in life. There’s more than one answer to life other than 42.</p>

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<p>its called the Parent cafe, like we are chatting in a coffee shop or diner</p>

<p>you can always not enter if it is annoying to you, browninfall</p>

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<p>Just twiddlin’ our thumbs, waiting for the Abramoff-Libby-Rove-(who’s next) timebombs to go off. ;)</p>

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<p>“its called the Parent cafe, like we are chatting in a coffee shop or diner
you can always not enter if it is annoying to you, browninfall”</p>

<p>Yeah, and an ubiquitous sign in coffee shops is the bandanna-clad guitar-strumming hippie who is hopelessly stuck in the sixties and tries to entertain the crowd by rehashing the trite words of Bob Dylan. That the words make no sense -then or now- is well beyond his limited intelligence. After all, does he not have the Che Guevara tee-shirts to tell us about the greatest calamities that are plaguing us. </p>

<p>Having to listen to the repeated banter of sensationalists and lunatics is the part of the price of admission. The good news is that after a while the nuisance simply becomes noise … hollow noise.</p>

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<p>“Having to listen to the repeated banter of sensationalists and lunatics is the part of the price of admission. The good news is that after a while the nuisance simply becomes noise … hollow noise.”</p>

<p>That is EXACTLY what I thought and you know, in my OP, it was just sharing the news</p>

<p>XIggi, if it weren’t for the 60s you wouldn’t see some of your heros…but guess you want it back to when you couldn’t vote</p>

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<p>Xiggi,</p>

<p>I’ve experienced this same kind of social malignancy from CGM, (and Lauras50, as I recall) myself. </p>

<p>It is clear, god love her, that she does not understand that using someone’s ethnicity or skin color to make a political point is as tasteless now, as it was in the 50’s 60’s or at any time since. It is still racist, as it reduces people to nothing more than their race. It also assumes that they are more of a social burden to be exhibited and pointed at than accepted and respected. </p>

<p>Reminds me of the crypto-racists who are always first to opine “one of my best friends is __________________[insert ethnicity/race of desired pawn]. </p>

<p>Of course they are.</p>

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<p>I see women in high political office disparage feminists all the time, well if it weren’t for those feminists they seem to hate so much, who risked their lives, those women wouldn’t be where they are, in public office, having choices, getting into the colleges of their dream, but hey</p>

<p>It saddens me when people forget the past, and think, well, it is fine for me now, who cares about anyone else</p>

<p>FS- you know exactly why I say what I say, you have chosen to ignore that many died, those awful liberals so that you, as a young women, has options</p>

<p>But, hey ignore the women, women like my mom, who marched, like my grandma, and her grandma who was a suffregette, who risked ridicule and jail so you could have choses, ignore the woman whose funeral was the other day, who fought for all peoples civil rights, forget all those liberals who gave you the chance to have option in your life</p>

<p>back in the 50, how many women were in the college of their dreams, and how many were able to write for the schools journal, oh yeah, weren’t many co-eds until the evil 60s</p>

<p>It saddens me young women think it was always so easy for women in the country and take for granted all those liberal women who stood up, for each other, for themselves and for their daughters and for you</p>

<p>DOn’t keep blaming me because you have chosed to hate liberals</p>

<p>We liberals did a lot more for you than you can even imagine or acknowledge</p>

<p>Until you see and thank all the women before you, do not take advantage of the doors they opened, the trails they blazed and the battles they fought</p>

<p>To do otherwise is disingenous- so don’t vote, don’t get equal pay, leave that school, cause the evil liberals gave those rights to you, not the conservatives you love so much</p>

<p>The conservatives fought civil and equal rights every step of the way, but hey so long as you are okay, don’t care about the others who are still fighting the battles</p>

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<p>Leading Dem has Abramoff problem. </p>

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<p>CGM,</p>

<p>Show me the post where I disparaged feminists; otherwise, put a cork in it. </p>

<p>[oh, and be sure to give a shout-out to your mom and your grams, tell ‘em a dark-skinned girl says thanks for everything, god knows without there valiant efforts all us caramel skinned girls would amount to half-o-nothing—if that…the white-man’s burden, I think you call it (“white-woman’s-burden" where appropriate)].</p>

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<p>“XIggi, if it weren’t for the 60s you wouldn’t see some of your heros…but guess you want it back to when you couldn’t vote”</p>

<p>I am not sure what that means, but that is OK! </p>

<p>“We liberals did a lot more for you than you can even imagine or acknowledge”</p>

<p>Isn’t that a pretty strong assertion or assumption? Could it ever occur to you that it is exactly the process of acknowledging and analyzing the success and contribution of “your” movement that makes us frown at the label of progressive. While I can acknowledge the merits and contributions of having discovered fire, I stop at the desire to live like a caveman. You’re welcome to anchor your mind in the nostalgia of a time gone-by, but I prefer to focus on the future and attempt to correct the massive failures of your movement. For starters, in the context of the general purpose of this board, look at what your ilk has done to education through the contributions of icons such as Reg Weaver or Randi Weingarten.</p>