Adam Lanza's father speaks In New Yorker article

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<p>Possibly the case, although I think there was a report that he had purchased a gun on his own…I’m not certain of that.</p>

<p>I will recommend that people interested in in this case listen to the tape of the call that Lanza made to the anarchist host of the Oregon radio station at the link below. At the very least, he is a great deal more composed and self-aware than I would have imagined. </p>

<p><a href=“Tape surfaces of Adam Lanza's call to radio show”>http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/16/adam-lanza-newtown-sandy-hook-radio-program/4505649/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Flossy, stepped up school security is something that I’ve thought about, but I wonder what they could realistically do. There was a thread about metal detectors a while back which showed there were pros and cons and that they were not really as useful as one might think, it’s still something I’d consider but I’m not sure that it’s practical or effective enough in some situations-- it’s not a cure all for this problem. At Sandy Hook I think I remember reading at the time that the doors were locked and you were supposed to be buzzed in, that seemed like a great security measure but it obviously wasnt effective. Short of walling off all the windows, making the doors out of bulletproof material requiring people to be buzzed in, and doing away with any and all outdoor activities-- I’m not sure what would actually work. </p>

<p>I think there is room for improvement in school security, and I think there is room for a lot of improvement in mental health treatment and awareness and gun safety, but I think there will always be cases where something just comes out of nowhere and I think it will take years to work on the things we can work on to at least reduce these kinds of occurrences, which isn’t a very satisfying prospect. </p>

<p>I was a HS senior when the Virginia Tech shooting occurred and was really, really shaken up. School shootings shake me to my core in a way that nothing else does, I was horrified beyond my ability to cope and have never really recovered. I remember thinking at the time, after the VT shooting, that it would have been nice if the clasroom doors were bulletproof so that they couldn’t be shot through. We had glass windows on all the doors, too, and no way to cover them so a shooter couldn’t see us all cowering. I had some classrooms that had large closets or conference rooms that, if it were a smaller class and you squeezed in tight, you could all fit-- it would have been nice if those were “safe” rooms that were bullet proof and inpenetrable sort of like those panic rooms you can make for your house. But that’s not really all that practical. It just would have been nice, if it were possible. I would have liked if it were a little bit easier to get out of the ground floor windows. I can remember walking into classrooms and thinking, “there would be no way out of here if I needed to get out.” Maybe when we build new schools the designers need to take into account the ease of police access in the event of an emergency and strategy for taking out a shooter or hiding from one.</p>

<p>We only had one lockdown drill a year and I remember my class having a mishap most years. One year the police knocked on our door (not identifying himself as police), and one of my classmates instinctively jumped up and let him in-- so the police grabbed him and pulled him out of the room, “you’d be dead now, just so you know.” I remember thinking that if there were ever a shooting during lunch or passing time-- you know, like what actually happened at Columbine-- none of us would have any idea what to do or where to go. I asked the principal after Virginia Tech and he acted like I was trying to plan a shooting, so I didn’t ask any more questions after that. If they ever had a plan in place for that scenario, I am not aware of it, and they should have. I think they were just hoping it would never happen, and we can’t do that anymore.</p>

<p>If I remember correctly they buzzed him in because they recognized him so I agree, I don’t know what to do about that, either. </p>

<p>Bay, I agree completely with Cardinal Fang that you have absolutely no basis for claiming that divorce per se is a contributing factor in mass killings. But let’s accept for a moment the proposition that children of divorce and children of absent fathers have worse outcomes in general than children of two-parent families. And let’s pretend that that conclusion still holds after we control for pure economics (low-income families are less likely to have intact marriages, and single-parent households are likely to have lower incomes).</p>

<p>I haven’t followed this issue in a long time, but years ago I did, and even took a course on the interaction between law and psychology research, co-taught by Michael Wald (a legal expert on child welfare issues) and Eleanor Maccoby (an eminent researcher on developmental psychology), that mostly focused on issues around keeping families intact or not. Back then, both of them were deeply skeptical that anything we knew about the effects of divorce or other forms of family separation was robust enough to provide policy guidance for legislators and courts, and their main theme was to understand the limits of what the research meant. It was essentially impossible to do controlled studies, or to do careful longitudinal studies that extended more than a few years. And what data there was had the constant issue that, almost by definition, families that stayed intact were far more functional than families that never formed, or that broke apart. It was always easy to conclude that children with two parents who lived with them, respected one another and worked well together did better than children of divorced parents. It was never easy to figure out whether children of divorced parents did better or worse than children of parents who lived together, disliked one another, and undermined each other. There was also a huge chicken-and-egg problem, because nothing exposes weaknesses in a marriage faster than serious problems with children or economics. To some extent, children of divorce did badly because their problems made their parents’ divorce more likely, not the other way around. Meanwhile – and this was a long time ago – what high-quality, focused longitudinal research there was tended to show that children were actually pretty resilient, and the supposed negative effects of divorce might be short-lived.</p>

<p>Anyway, when I read the Peter Lanza article I thought there was plenty of acknowledgement that he felt guilty about his absence, and that things changed for the worse when he remarried. I thought one of the things that the article did not explore explicitly, but that hung in the background all the time, was the possibility that disagreements about how to raise Adam, or different ways of coping with his illness, factored heavily in the demise of the marriage. I feel angry at both parents for letting Adam have access to guns, but that clearly was an important part of Nancy’s life, and something she tried to use to make a connection with her son. If Peter had tried to fight Nancy on that, any Family Court judge in the country would have slapped him down in a minute.</p>

<p>Now, an anecdote:</p>

<p>I have a client who is the divorced father of an autistic child, who hasn’t had any contact with his child in four years. Why? He would say it’s because his vindictive ex-wife, with the help of the court, has set impossible conditions for him to spend time with his child, and has been inflexible and punitive in insisting on complete compliance with them or no access. He loves his son, and not seeing him tears the father apart. She would say all those conditions were necessary because he was an irresponsible drug addict with anger issues and his own mental illness, and that his contact with the child was consistently harmful. She knew he would never be able to comply with them, and good riddance. Plus, he consistently failed to meet his financial obligations, leaving her to carry the considerable financial burden of an autistic child on her own. Guess what? They’re both right. What’s more, this marriage was doomed from Day 1, but no one who knows them at all thinks that they could possibly work together in any but the most basic way on a project as difficult as coping with a profoundly disabled child.</p>

<p>The notion that this kid would have done better had the parents stayed together is ludicrous. If the parents had stayed together, the most likely outcome is that both of them would be dead, or one dead and the other in prison for it. As bad as the situation is – and, after years of patient work, I think it is slowly getting better – the child has probably gotten the best results of which the actual parents were capable at the time. It’s never a question of perfect vs. bad. In the real world, the choice is usually between awful and horrendous.</p>

<p>@JHS - really appreciate your intelligent and insightful post. so true.</p>

<p>“I feel angry at both parents for letting Adam have access to guns, but that clearly was an important part of Nancy’s life, and something she tried to use to make a connection with her son. If Peter had tried to fight Nancy on that, any Family Court judge in the country would have slapped him down in a minute.”</p>

<p>I don’t necessarily agree with this. We cannot speculate on what a judge might have done. But I think the chances are equally as good that a judge would have seen the inherent risk of putting weapons in the hands of a teenager with issues such as Adams. Especially if Peter was able to communicate the unpredictability of his behavior. In any event that ship has long sailed.</p>

<p>Well said, JHS.</p>

<p>Though I do agree that guns should never have been accessible, nor such a big part of this kid’s life. I get that Nancy felt like she’d found one grain of common ground with her son, but it was a terrible mistake to take off and run with that. But I have never been an advocate of even having guns in a home with children, much less engaging that as a hobby or giving them as gifts, regardless of their mental health.</p>

<p>So what you are saying, JHS, is that on the one hand, we don’t have enough information to conclude that brokenn families produce mass murderers (which by the way, I did not claim), but on the other hand, it is useless to know the details of the Lanza’s family life? </p>

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<p>On what basis do you make this claim?</p>

<p>In my opinion, there’s plenty of blame to go around–to the mother, for actually providing the guns and not securing them, definitely. For the father, for not adequately intervening in a dangerous situation, probably, but not as clear. But as I said above, there are millions of additional persons with the blood of those kids on their hands. Just about all of us, really, because we let the situation happen.</p>

<p>Especially every counselor and teacher who ever had Adam Lanza in their class has to be questioning whether they did enough. </p>

<p>So, I don’t know why anyone would think that if the father was around it wouldn’t have happened. He didn’t want the father around. The relationship was troubled. No-one knows what would have happened but I agree with those upthread who say it would also have likely ended badly.</p>

<p>I would be interested in the brother’s take on the situation but Peter Lanza hadn’t seen his son in years. He cannot possibly be expected to explain this tragedy. But, don’t think anyone can. It’s inexplicable.</p>

<p>I think having the father around could have completely changed the dynamics of Adam’s childhood. Adam would not have had the same control over his environment as he did with only his mother around. Peter could have locked up the guns. I don’t see how anyone can say with any confidence that it wouldn’t be different.</p>

<p>Having more adult people in the house could certainly have had a positive effect–for example by keeping each other strong or by one party drawing lines in the sand that they wouldn’t allow crossed (eg no guns). BUT that, to my mind, is ONLY if the parents are supportive of EACH other. If they can work together. So often, not only with SMI kids but even with our plain jane kids, husbands and wives are not on the same page. The more they aren’t on the same page the greater the angst in the home which rachets up everyones stress including the child’s. </p>

<p>Nancy could have locked up the guns, too-- why is it HIS fault that SHE didn’t? Just because he’s the only one around to blame? Did she go to Peter and say, “This isn’t working anymore and I need more help from you?” Did she even try to facilitate his involvement in the family-- because I believe the information we have states that she inhibited it. For all we know, Peter was the one to move out and remarry but Nancy was the one who “abandoned” their family unit by driving him out. What information do you have that I don’t? You can say if that were the case Peter is obligated to explain that to us, but I am guessing since it isn’t negative against Peter you wouldn’t believe him anyway.</p>

<p>There was a big argument on a radio show I listen to a few weeks ago that had to do with custodial parent vs non-custodial parent, and the majority in that argument felt that non-custodial parent had a say in how things are done but custodial parent ultimately calls the shots. Do most of us disagree with that? I have no experience and can’t really have an educated opinion. Speaking purely from imagination, I do feel like if I had a child who I was solely responsible for on a day-to-day basis, I would want my decisions to carry more clout than someone who just writes checks and has visitation. From the divorces that I have witnessed, which are few, my assumption was that Nancy as custodial parent sets the tone for how much involvement Peter would have, along with their divorce decree, and what we have heard so far doesn’t disprove that notion. He was asking her for help getting more involved with Adam when he was pulling away and she shut him down.</p>

<p>It’s possible the dad has lots of blame–he may have bailed on his wife because of a difficult kid. We don’t really know, and we never will know, because he’s only going to tell his version of the story. Since the outcome was about as bad as it possibly could be, it’s natural to blame anybody who had anything to do with it, since any change in facts might have made the outcome better.</p>

<p>Ema,</p>

<p>If you are directing your comments at me, I did not say that access to the guns was Peter’s fault and not Nancy’s. To the contrary, I said she was squarely to blame for what happened, but Peter does not appear to be without blame to me either, at least based upon the limited information he has provided about their home life. </p>

<p>I really don’t understand the extreme need to defend Peter. Am I missing something here?</p>

<p>It is not possible to parent away mental illness.</p>

<p>I don’t disagree with that, Hunt. I just don’t think we can be outraged that Peter hasn’t come out with a detailed explanation of his failures when we have no idea what those failures are. I think, quite frankly, that he is still bewildered and reeling that something so “evil” came from him and he doesn’t yet know HIMSELF what caused this and that may not be something he ever understands any better than we do. If it were your kid, would you be able to look back and pinpoint, “ahh, yes, it was that time I forgot him at soccer practice, THAT was what threw him over the edge.” Life and families are complicated. Lots of people get divorced and it turns out fine. Lots of people go a stretch without being as close to one or both of their parents, especially teenagers and, in my anecdotal experience, teenage boys. Lots of people have that experience and don’t do this. If Adam wasn’t mentally ill with something they obviously didn’t know he had, because they still don’t know what he had, this all would have been a normal if difficult family situation and it would have been fine. How is he supposed to pinpoint it? It does us no good if he throws blame on the divorce just because it’s perceived by some as a black mark on his parenting record if that really had nothing to do with it, and we don’t know if it had anything to do with it or not and Peter probably doesn’t know either. And just because he is the one that moved out, or just because he remarried, doesn’t mean he was responsible for the divorce-- it takes two people to get married and it takes two people to get a divorce.</p>

<p>Something that comes to my mind is that we would like to think if Adam had gotten consistent mental health attention, maybe we would have known he was developing schizophrenia or whatever it is he had to be able to prevent this. And maybe that’s true. But it’s not a slam dunk, either, because we are sure my older sister has more than just bipolar-- bipolar doesnt make you do some of the awful things she’s done-- but nobody has any clue. There are no blood tests or sure things or thick black lines dividing one mental disorder from another.</p>

<p>My argument is NOT that mistakes weren’t made by all parties, because they were. I just don’t think we can sit here in an outrage at how easily avoidable we think those mistakes should have been, we don’t know ANYTHING. The exception is Nancy and her guns, I have to assume she was criminally ignorant (wouldnt it be nice if there were such a thing?) or too mentally dysfunctional to comprehend the situation. I think she is fully culpable for that, but she’s also already dead, so there’s no more punishment we can give her.</p>

<p>I don’t disagree with you Flossy. But I am not yet ready to accept that it is not possible to parent away murderers. I’m still hopeful about that, if we can get enough information and help.</p>