<p>LINYMOM, I meant that when we were sorority girls way back when, we didn’t pee on national historic artifacts when we went to formals. I’m assuming you didn’t either, but you can speak for yourself :-)</p>
<p>Pizzagirl, maybe some of what you peed on when you were a sorority girl way back when is a national historic artifact now?</p>
<p>Ouch! JHS is on a roll!</p>
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<p>LOL. Just goes to show you I didn’t read all the posts - just yours (PG and I are sorority sisters from the “good ole days”). However, I had to answer this in case inquiring minds want to know.</p>
<p>Um - NO.</p>
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It’s in there on the police reports available on The Smoking Gun. Specifically under a banquet table while others were watching.</p>
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<p>Well, I should hope so, JHS! I’d like to think that would be sort of the midwestern equivalent of “George Washington slept here.”</p>
<p>It seems like all these folks were totally trashed by the time they arrived at their party destination, some of them even throwing up on arrival. I wonder how the venue owner would fare in a lawsit if the manager had just put them all back on the bus and refused to serve them? Do you think video of them pouring out of the bus all drunk and sick and swearing would be a defense against a breach of contract action? (I know the one person did put a guy in a cab.)</p>
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<p>JHS, we really don’t want to hear about you having sex with drunk college kids. Or at least have the decency to use private-messaging.</p>
<p>missy, I think the mgr would have had a leg to stand on if she allowed the party to last as long it took to get to $500 in damages (about 12 minutes, it seemed) and then kicked them out!</p>
<p>I don’t blame the venue owner one bit for saying that no more Greeks from Miami of Ohio can have parties there. It sounds dreadful.</p>
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<p>Exactly. Get drunk, have consensual sex, fine. But this idea that drunkenness means one can disregard everyone else’s rights-- vomiting everywhere, skipping the bathroom (ugh, that’s just disgusting, are these people two years old), wantonly destroying things-- vile. And you’ve got to figure that the males in this heedless, destructive group are prone to date rape. Somebody who doesn’t care who he vomits on or what priceless artifact he destroys probably doesn’t care whether the person he wants to have sex with consents.</p>
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[Binge</a> Drinking on Campus: One Objective: Get Drunk | Reader’s Digest](<a href=“http://www.rd.com/living-healthy/binge-drinking-on-campus/article15309.html]Binge”>http://www.rd.com/living-healthy/binge-drinking-on-campus/article15309.html)</p>
<p>Geez - who did think they were - a lacrosse team?</p>
<p>Edited to add - Wow, that article is 13 years old. Are the percentages even higher now or did they level off?</p>
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<p>I have to admit that I distrust the morals of anyone who would do those things. But in the interest of hypertechnical analysis (always!), and also of bringing to bear the perspective of formerly heavy-drinking boys, I might suggest that extreme drunkenness and sex of any sort, consensual or non-, may be mutually exclusive. </p>
<p>Back in the days when drinking to colossal excess and sex with college students were part of my life – and, just to be clear, that part of my life ended within a year of my graduation (Pizzagirl: eeeewwwwwwwww!) – sometimes the following happened: Not being with the one I loved, I was interested in perhaps loving the one I was with, as that made for a more entertaining evening than moping around. However, loving the one I was with always required some inhibition-engineering, in which alcohol figured prominently. After 3-6 drinks, I could usually feel completely enthusiastic about whomever I was with, but sometimes not. At that point, I basically had two choices: honestly telling my companion that I didn’t like her enough to keep flirting with her or to go beyond that, or taking the coward’s way out through the back door, as it were. And in that situation, I pretty much always took the coward’s way out. Which was continuing to drink to the point where it was a foregone conclusion that I wasn’t doing anything with anybody that night. Dishonest and immature, yes, but I thought it was less hurtful than outright rejection. </p>
<p>Or maybe I WAS feeling very enthusiastic about the girl I was with, but a little voice told me it was wrong – a friend was in love with her, I was being faithful to someone else. In those cases, continuing to drink was the easiest way to make certain I didn’t do anything really stupid.</p>
<p>Anyway, an unfortunate side-effect of this sad strategy was that it sometimes involved vomiting. I can’t remember ever not making it to a bathroom . . . but then it would probably be a mistake to rely on my memory of these incidents to any great extent. </p>
<p>It is also entirely possible that girls did the same thing to me a few times. Hard to tell. It’s a risky strategy, but I think that they could probably tell I wasn’t going to do anything if they passed out, and in any event I would respond to their vomiting by losing sexual interest and becoming sort of a compassionate nurse. (I ALWAYS either got them to a toilet, or cleaned up after them, or both.)</p>
<p>Anyway, my point is that moderate drunkenness is often getting up the nerve to have sex, but extreme drunkenness can be a polite, if misguided, way of saying “no”.</p>
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<p>…or not. I’ve got to figure that the couple going at in under the table, with others egging them on, were several drinks at least past their maximum.</p>
<p>There is MORE bad news from the Greeks at Miami University, Oxford Ohio. A 3rd sorority has gotten in trouble for its actions.</p>
<p>[Third</a> Miami sorority in trouble for party | cincinnati.com | Cincinnati.Com](<a href=“Cincinnati News, Sports and Things to Do | Cincinnati Enquirer”>Cincinnati News, Sports and Things to Do | Cincinnati Enquirer)</p>
<p>The end of the article mentions the punishments for the other two organizations discussed earlier in this thread. Looks like they got mere slaps on the wrist. Pathetic on the part of the university.</p>
<p>There is no excuse for the aforementioned behavior, be it by collegians, AARPians, or vegetarians. (To those I have just mentioned please know that I was going for the ians). Having said that, plain and simple: CF you really have a problem with Greek letter organizations. Do you ■■■■■ the internet trying to come up with negative articles about Greeks? Have you found, read, and posted articles about any of the above raising money for causes that their organization supports? Probably not because curing children’s cancer, (St. Jude’s), helping children in the system (CASA), or blind people (Hope for Sight)–but a few of the charities that are supported by sororities–aren’t importent enough to engender your support–You only post your outrage over a system that doesn’t/didn’t want someone you love as a part of it.</p>
<p>Again, there is NO EXCUSE for anyone to behave in a disgusting manner. There is also no excuse for someone, other than someone with a childish vendetta, to try and stir up hatred for a system that has, in general, been successful since the 19th century. Grow up.</p>
<p>ellebud, is it your position that these stories are not newsworthy? That they are not of interest to people on CC? Because if they are newsworthy, and of interest, then why would you object to my posting them?</p>
<p>You should feel free to post stories about drunken vandalism by college chess clubs, Hillels, college vegetarians, or whatever other groups, if you find such articles.</p>
<p>ellebud: If you are a fan of the Greek system, you have to expect to take some hits now and then. It’s like being a Zionist – if you can’t deal with being embarrassed by the occasional display of disgusting arrogance and bullying, then maybe you should rethink your ideals. It’s not out of bounds to notice that chess clubs and student newspaper staffs don’t terrorize bus drivers, destroy others’ property, or do other offensive things as often as sorority girls in Ohio seem to, or to ask if there’s something about the sorority system, at least at Miami U., that lends itself to this.</p>