<p>Personally, I think they should just make the drinking age for beer and wine 18 and 21 or maybe even 22 for hard liquor. I honestly think it would go a long way to making the early adult transition a lot less fraught with alcohol poisoning. fwiw</p>
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<p>How charming you are, Bay! <bats eyes=“” modestly=“”></bats></p>
<p>CF has no need of professional help, nor is she a racist - on the previous lengthy thread, she was one of very, very few who brought scientific research into the discussion, rather than just a lot of anecdotes. </p>
<p>Here is a report of another research article, from Pizzagirl’s alma mater (where the sororities are oh, so wonderful and not at ALL like those stereotypical evil Southern sororities (yeah, right.)):
[Only</a> the beautiful need apply: Study flags damaging effect of joining a sorority on body image and eating behaviors](<a href=“Only the beautiful need apply: Study flags damaging effect of joining a sorority on body image and eating behaviors | ScienceDaily”>Only the beautiful need apply: Study flags damaging effect of joining a sorority on body image and eating behaviors | ScienceDaily)</p>
<p>(and never mind that a documentary video about rush at NU a few years back mentioned that a lot of the “Southern” stuff depicted in Alexandra Robbins’ book occurred at NU as well.)</p>
<p>Thanks, Cardinal F. for your participation in these threads. Fraternities and sororities bring out the “group stupid” (as mentioned by other posters here) and reinforce many negative aspects (body image, gender stereotypes, rape-supportive attitudes, binge drinking, others) in young people. They are anachronistic and colleges should stop subsidizing and supporting them.</p>
<p>CF hasn’t backed off the opening line:</p>
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<p>Is that justified by a Harvard study too?</p>
<p>sorghum, do you or Bay or anyone else see any black or brown faces here [Alpha</a> Xi Delta-Miami University Photos | Facebook](<a href=“http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LdCC-wNz-a8J:www.facebook.com/pages/Oxford-OH/Alpha-Xi-Delta-Miami-University/297473096224%3Fv%3Dphotos+“miami+university”+“alpha+xi+delta”&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us]Alpha”>http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LdCC-wNz-a8J:www.facebook.com/pages/Oxford-OH/Alpha-Xi-Delta-Miami-University/297473096224%3Fv%3Dphotos+“miami+university”+“alpha+xi+delta”&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)</p>
<p>or here [Welcome-Miami</a> Alpha Xi Delta](<a href=“http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:S2AjNm9st7EJ:www.muohio.alphaxidelta.org/index.php%3Fpage_name%3Dstart+“miami+university”+“alpha+xi+delta”&cd=60&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us]Welcome-Miami”>http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:S2AjNm9st7EJ:www.muohio.alphaxidelta.org/index.php%3Fpage_name%3Dstart+“miami+university”+“alpha+xi+delta”&cd=60&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)</p>
<p>Even before seeing these photos, it seems a reasonable assumption that black students would feel (and demonstrate) more respect toward a site that commemorates an important part of the history of African slavery in this country. </p>
<p>Why the disdain toward “a Harvard study” and scientific research in general? sheesh.</p>
<p>I could read a report such as this where a group of people behaved badly:</p>
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<p>It would be wrong, and I would immediately be called on it, if I sneered “way to go, black people”</p>
<p>I could read a report such as this where a group of people behaved badly:</p>
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<p>It would be wrong, and I would immediately be called on it, if I sneered “way to go, Asian people”.</p>
<p>Why is it wrong? Because it is not general to that group, and it is not unique to that group.</p>
<p>Wow, those citations sure are a glowing advertisement for Greeks in all their diversity! With friends like that…! LOL!</p>
<p>Wow. Is the ad hominem stuff really necessary? I thought “Way to go, white people” is sort of a cliche, sign-off line. It’s hardly unique to Cardinal Fang, and it doesn’t connote – at least to me – any personal animus against white people on the part of the user. It does indicate a willingness to be playful and ironic with racial categories, and thus to offend the current right-wing mantra that we should all be pretending that race does not exist and does not matter. So I guess it’s fair to criticize her on that ground . . . if you happen to agree with it.</p>
<p>I’ll repeat what I said before: Lots of people support fraternities and sororities. When stories like these come out, so will the detractors. The supporters ought to develop somewhat thicker skins. And maybe a more substantive response than “You’re a racist!” (she’s not) or “This is a total aberration!” (it isn’t).</p>
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<p>That is a new one. Stereotyping and chastising a particular race for the actions of many indicates a willingness to be playful. I learned something new today.</p>
<p>What was your intent, CF, with your comment “Way to go, white people?”</p>
<p>MomCat2, my son is not a racist, a rapist, or a drunk. His fraternity includes people of all races, including the friends with whom he joined. I think it likely that it also has gay members. He is also not a homophobe, having been raised with gay godfathers, the surviving one of whom is very close to him. He has marched in the local gay pride parade with me, for heaven’s sakes.</p>
<p>Am I a big supporter of the “typical” national Greek organizations? No. Would I be perfectly fine with them all vanishing tomorrow? Yes. But having personal experience with two houses at two different schools that were NOTHING like the stereotype, I am aware that there is considerable variation out there.</p>
<p>Google “Way to go, white people”, Bay.</p>
<p>Here’s an example – a comment on a commercial page highlighting 12 cool kitchen appliances, one of which was a rocker knife for chopping herbs:</p>
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<p>Ironic, yes. Racist, no.</p>
<p>I thought the “way to go white people” was specific to the group that was defacing exhibits at an Underground Railway museum. I suspect if that particular group had been more diverse they would probably have been more respectful.</p>
<p>I’m sure there are good fraternities and bad fraternities. But having walked around a lot of campuses in the last year, I couldn’t help but notice the litter (red cups and beer cans) only around the Greek houses.</p>
<p>^#91, Actually, I don’t think that statement is clearly non-racist at all.</p>
<p>But I am interested in hearing Cardinal Fang’s explanation, as you can only guess at her intent.</p>
<p>MomCat2 - the person who urinated on the artifact was a male - obviously not a member of the sorority, no indication that he was a member of any fraternity, and no indication at all of his race.</p>
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<p>The same can be said for football, lacrosse and other college sports.</p>
<p>A Pakistani man fails an attempt to set off a bomb in Times Square…way to go Pakistanis!</p>
<p>Arizona says their new law will keep illegal immigrants who are involved in possible criminal activity out of the USA…way to go you Hispanic criminals!</p>
<p>Two African American sorority sisters die in initiation…way to go Black people!</p>
<p>Jewish women meet to discuss charity fundraising at country club…way to keep in touch Jewish women!!!</p>
<p>Have I offended enough people yet? Do you get it? To offend a whole group of people is wrong. (And since I am a member of one or two of the aforementioned groups I included those sterotypes in here). Greeks, Hispanics, WASPs, Muslims et al are not responsible for all the ills in our world or on our campuses.</p>
<p>…oh, and if you didn’t see beer cans in the dorms, but only in front of fraternity houses, you must have been blinded by the smoke.</p>
<p>By “way to go,white people,” I meant: A bunch of drunk white sorority girls and their dates trashing a museum of slave artifacts? Couldn’t they just go trash the Museum of Mayonnaise instead?</p>
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<p>Really, white people claiming to be the victims of racism absent very special facts is silly. It offends me, at least.</p>
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<p>I’d say you’ve got your very special facts in this instance. CF says “Way to go, white people,” in reference to a negative incident in which she has no specific knowledge of whether any of the perpetrators were white.</p>
<p>If she has that specific knowledge, then please bring it on, and I will retract my conclusion.</p>
<p>Adorable sorority hijinks = pi phis at miami of ohio</p>
<p>Really JHS? White people not offendable? Ever hear, “poor white trash”? Do you think that lumping all white people together, for better or worse, is acceptable? Are the accomplishments of one white person a reflection on the worthiness of all white (whatever that criteria might mean) people. Or conversely, the sins of a white person the sins of all white people?</p>
<p>Ever hear of the “holiday” in Hawaii called “Kill a Haole Day”? Yes, it is possible to find white people as an offendable group.</p>
<p>Again, whatever the background of the kids at the party, it was IN NO WAY acceptable behavior. They deserve criminal prosecution for, at the very least, vandalism. The perpetrators deserve thousands of hours of community service. And yes, they deserve to be financially responsible for the damage. (Although I am sure that the insurance will kick in and then the company will go after the individuals who will promptly declare bankrupcy.)</p>