Advice for dealing with a child's heartbreak

<p>You’re not alone. My D is also dating a young man, and we are wondering where the line is drawn between “serious character flaw” and “immaturity”. Can someone with these passive/aggressive tendencies ever see the heartbreak they cause? Part of the problem is that for a lot of young people, verbal “commitments” mean nothing. It’s either a way to say “yes” or imply “yes” to get out of an uncomfortable situation, OR it’s a way to bookmark a date until a better offer comes along via IM or text messaging. Is this immaturity? Or a way to say “He’s just not that into you…”</p>

<p>My D has also been in tears a lot lately due to constant broken commitments. I just comfort her as best I can
and “ask questions” that only she can answer. I keep asking her “If he doesn’t change, can you live with this behavior the rest of your life?” She knows the answer in her heart, but he is quite the charmer.</p>

<p>At the risk of sounding like Dr. Phil, the boyfriend is treating her this way because she lets him. It does no good wondering why he does what he does. That is irrelevant. What is relevant is that she is letting him and perhaps inviting it. That is what would worry me. She is in serious need of getting some help with self esteem. She can either get therapy now or get it later. She is developing patterns that will haunt her until she figures out how to stop it. I would insist on therapy and if she wants to sit there and not talk, let her. It will become awkward enough at some point that she will talk or she will figure out that the way to get through it is to participate. She is allowing someone to emotionally abuse her - that is a very short step away from allowing physical abuse.</p>

<p>That ^^^^^^^^^ is what I was trying to say in my previous post, speaking of which, I misspelled <em>cheek.</em></p>

<p>tisthetruth - she will probably not be able to do this on her own. That is where the therapist comes in. She needs to feel that she deserves to be treated better and if she doesn’t feel it yet, then she needs to know how to pretend that she feels it and then needs to know how to teach people to treat her better so she’ll feel better. That involves getting a commitment from her to get rid of the boy. That may mean roleplaying what to say and anticipating what he’ll say. She needs to know how to deal with his calls - how to use her friends and her mom to help her stay away from him and ways to keep her herself busy so she doesn’t think about him.</p>

<p>If d won’t go to the therapist, Mom - you go. The therapist may be able to help you deal with your reactions to her, and help you figure out how to help her as well.</p>

<p>best book on the subject</p>

<p>Women who Love too Much</p>

<p>Just buy it and hand it to her…the book strikes so many cords</p>

<p>I have a copy and have lent it to many people, my Ds both read it, and it helped them understand why a couple of their friends stayed with jerks or kept picking jerks</p>

<p>i can’t urge you strongly enough to get this book</p>

<p>the author talks about the “addiction” of trying to fix the wrong guys, and it is never just one, the pattern repeats itself</p>

<p>the book is just a book, but almost every person can either see themselves or someone they careabout in it, some say it was pop physcology, but so what…it helped many, and your D fits the profile, as did I years ago
a reivew</p>

<p>Women Who Love Too Much
…being the book that explained why relationships can be addictive</p>

<p>‘When we read a self-help book and underline all the passages we think would help him… we are loving too much.’</p>

<p>I first approached Robin Norwood’s best-selling pop psychology book, Women Who Love Too Much with the scepticism I always reserve for self-help material that appears to offer an easy answer to complex psychological distress. However, I was soon completely hooked on this analysis of relationships for women (and sometimes men) as an addictive process - a strategy of focussing on the short-comings and excesses of someone else in order to avoid confronting internal problems. Robin Norwood defines women ‘who love too much’ as being ‘attracted not to what a man is but to his potential’; they fall into ‘a pattern of picking men whom they see as needing their help’.</p>

<p>Ironically, in traditional ‘loving too much’ fashion, before I started to read the book properly for myself I gave away two copies to women friends whom I judged to be in worse straits than me. Soon, however, the book became my bible. Its clear and straightforward prose was as comforting as its analyses were painfully honest. I cannot say that it singlehandedly solved my problems but it was certainly a turning-point in my approach to relationships, sexual or otherwise. And it has played the same role for many other women.</p>

<p>Robin Norwood runs through a collection of sad case histories of women (and some men) who have been or are still ‘loving too much’ and she includes herself among them. These women are stuck in relationships that are clearly bad for them, and range from the proverbial battered wife who keeps going back for more to the woman who allows her self-confidence to be gradually annihilated by an insidious verbal cruelty.</p>

<p>Norwood draws from her experience as a therapist in the US to observe that women ‘who love too much’ have invariably grown up in disfunctional families: families where there is a shared denial of reality; where for one reason or another the children are forced to draw on their own resources far too young, before they are really ready for such a responsibility. She observes that under these conditions women tend to become overly dependent on a person or relationship, whereas men are more often drawn to addictive substances or workaholism.</p>

<p>In either case they are unable to realize fully their own potential as human beings and develop in adulthood an unhealthy dependency which in some way mirrors the conditions present in their childhood. Placed in a more healthy situation or relationship they feel uncomfortable, threatened, bored or restless and will inevitably return to the less beneficial relationships or addictions when the opportunity occurs. The book contains a stringent programme for rehabilitation of a woman who loves too much’ in which her symptoms are paralleled with those of an alcoholic. Achieving the main objective of the programme - raising the woman’s self-esteem - is a mammoth task as it entails confrontation with feelings that stem from deeply buried childhood experiences.</p>

<p>The book’s focus leaves no room for analysis of gay, lesbian or bisexual experiences. Also, perhaps inevitably, bulimia, anorexia and alcoholism are portrayed as secondary addictions to that of ‘loving too much’. But this concentrated approach does allow the author to unveil the incredibly powerful myth of romantic love that permeates our culture, whether it be in women’s magazines, soap operas, advertisements, music, film or social expectations - and to set out squarely and clearly the damage that this myth has done.</p>

<p>Her reading of the Beauty and the Beast folk tale is particularly telling. In the story Beauty agrees to live with the Beast, a terrifying monster, in order to save her father from his wrath. At first she finds the Beast abhorrent but when she gets to know him she grows to love him. At this point the Beast is magically transformed into a handsome prince with whom she lives happily ever after.</p>

<p>Our cultural bias leads us to interpret this story as showing that a woman can change a man if she loves him enough. But, as the book shows again and again, this does not happen in reality. Robin Norwood believes the tale shows something more positive. Beauty has no need for the beast to change. She loves him as he is, and because of this he is freed to become his best self.</p>

<p>In many ways Women Who Love Too Much is everywoman’s story. It is a modern classic because it shows, in everyday rather than ‘feminist’ language, the devious sexist nature of contemporary Western culture with which all women - however healthy their family background - have to contend.</p>

<p>Judy Kendall</p>

<p>Women Who Love Too Much by Robin Norwood (Arrow/Random Century).</p>

<p>If we’re recommending books, let me add 2 that would be relevant:</p>

<p>“Are You the One for Me?: Knowing Who’s Right and Avoiding Who’s Wrong” by Barbara De Angelis <a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Are-You-One-Me-Avoiding/dp/0440215757[/url]”>http://www.amazon.com/Are-You-One-Me-Avoiding/dp/0440215757&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>“The Nine Fantasies That Will Ruin Your Life (and the Eight Realities That Will Save You)” by Joy Browne<br>
<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Nine-Fantasies-That-Eight-Realities/dp/0609804731[/url]”>http://www.amazon.com/Nine-Fantasies-That-Eight-Realities/dp/0609804731&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>both of them are online-searchable so you can look at the table of contents, back cover, an excerpt, etc to see if you’d want to buy them</p>

<p>My daughter was not in a talkative mood last evening when she came home from work so I didn’t have the opportunity to use the “magic wand” prompt. I’m going out this afternoon to check out some of these books that have been recommended. I’m not sure if she will read them, but at least they will be available. Five or six months ago I got the book called It’s Called a Breakup Because It’s Broken (or something close to that). I never said anything, just left it sitting on the coffee table. I don’t think she read it, but you can never be sure.</p>

<p>put the books in the bathroom, that is what I did…and even if she doesn’t read them mom should, it helps you understand and how NOT to be, oh what’s the word, co-something…you know where we feed the drama, the addiction, a co-depenent, to HER “addiction” to this boy and HIS issues</p>

<p>Things are still a bit tense around here. I’m just looking for the right moment to say something, but for now I think she needs some space. (I’ve learned, as we all do, through my many mistakes.) In the meantime, I have been doing some of this reading. Wow . . . can you say passive-aggressive? This boy sounds like a classic case.</p>

<p>She (and you) should approach this the same way you would approach a relationship with ANYONE who does these things. In other words, if she had a girlfriend who makes plans and then breaks them, or a non-custodial parent, or a boyfriend (who is just a friend)…</p>

<p>Point is, if she know’s he’s flaky, she should just drop him. I don’t know if reading and speculating about his psychological shortcomings is going to help anyone. It will probably only prolong the pain, because now you’ve attached a <em>reason</em> for his behavior. Next thing you know, she’ll be feeling sorry for HIM because he has this problem! :eek:</p>

<p>Don’t overthink a 19 year college guy’s flakiness when it comes to girlfriends. Just advise her to move on, read some books about how SHE should approach relationships.</p>

<p>I am not in that boat yet, as my kids are younger, but it sounds too me like worriedmom is overanalizing everything, almost like she is 18, not her daughter. I have not read all the posts, but if there is therapy involed over handling situation with a boyfriend, then you are certainly overanalizing. Unless there are other issues, for which the therapy is more warranted. Then maybe those issues are in the way of your daughter handling man/woman situations.
I would back off, leave the books on the table if you wish so, but back off and let her handle her own life. She is an adult after all, isn’t she. You did express your concerns, now it is time to let her make her own choices.
Interestingly, is she behaving the way you did when you were younger? We tend to mimic the behaviour of our immediate role models.</p>

<p>Agree completely with Doubleplay. He is irrelevant and is just a symptom. If she has any caretaker inclinations in her, she probably does want to fix him and thinks she can change him if she just does the right things. She has to figure out how to take care of herself, not him.</p>

<p>I would be very concerned that this has been going on since sophomore year - this girl has lost a significant amount of time struggling with bad relationships, and her mother has said she makes “bad choices” in reaction to how boys treat her. I don’t know what those bad choices are, but I assume they are interfering with school and friendships. Most of the teenage girls I know handle breakups like they handle changing clothes and that’s the way it should be at that age. My daughter’s friends have the attitude that if a boy breaks up with them, it is the boy’s loss. They cry a little, sulk for a few days and then move on. Two years of sulking and missing out on high school life is not healthy and deserves attention.</p>

<p>My D has a really good friend</p>

<p>This beautiful young lady has had various BFs from 6th grade on, she is a rising Junior now. She has not gone for more that 6 weeks without a serious relationship</p>

<p>That in itself, to me anyway, is not ideal, however, its the boys she picks.,…every one of them had some sort of issue- bad grades, fights with parents (alot), a crazy mom, parents divorciing, drugs, smoking (7th grader), fights with sports coach, etc</p>

<p>Noen of the boys were “evil” or overtly “bad”, they were all just very needy, had these drama’s in their lives, etc</p>

<p>And this lovely, sweet girl spent hours and hours talking to these BFs and trying to help them. </p>

<p>She just broke up with her last BF 3 weeks ago…and already she has found a new one</p>

<p>How do I know, her mom called up to ask if I knew him…apparently he called girl because he needed to talk to her about some drama in his life with school…the pattern repeats itself</p>

<p>there is nothing wrong with trying to help people, but each relationship shouldn’t be based on that</p>

<p>No relationship should be based on trying to help or save someone. Times will arise in an existing relationship when someone has to be helped or even saved, but entering a relationship for that purpose is never a good thing. I think this young girl in the previous post needs professional too. No, I am not a therapist drumming up business, but I don’t know what else may be successful at breaking this pattern of having a “bad picker.” Parents are not usually great at dealing with it and can risk damaging their relationship with their kids if they get in the middle. An objective professional is often best.</p>

<p>I am going to ask a nosey nelly question, and don’t need an answer, but something to ponder</p>

<p>Is dad in the picture much, if he is physically, is he emotionally</p>

<p>I ask this because there are patterns to this, I know I was a helper-type when I was in my 20s and put up with stuff I shoudn’t have</p>

<p>My Ds friends Dad is there, and always has been, longtime married, etc</p>

<p>However, the family life revolved around an older boy’s sports- all family vacations, all weekends, etc. Though there have been opportunities, Father Daughter dances, etc, the two never did them, and seldom just did stuff that was for the D…and to this day still doesn’t just go to the movies or something with his daughter, which is sad to me…I would think seeing him there so interested in his son, with little interest in you would be tough, and the interest in the son is 150percent</p>

<p>“She (and you) should approach this the same way you would approach a relationship with ANYONE who does these things.”</p>

<p>“Point is, if she know’s he’s flaky, she should just drop him.”</p>

<p>“Just advise her to move on, read some books about how SHE should approach relationships.”</p>

<p>doubleplay, you’re right. She shouldn’t put up with this kind of behavior, but she does. Telling her what to do is not successful. I have tried to take the approach of being a listener and giving advice when asked. </p>

<p>She doesn’t know anything about this whole passive-aggressive label. Another poster mentioned it. I read about it and how it manifests itself in male-female relationships and was surprised to see such a connection with my daughter’s situation. No, it does nothing to change things, but it does help me to understand. Maybe it’s the kind of person I am, but I like to know WHY, if possible. </p>

<p>Kelowna, as you said, you obviously did not read all of the previous posts. Therapy was involved because my daughter’s actions and reactions were not typical; I was not overanalyzing a typical boy/girl breakup. </p>

<p>I am letting her make her own choices, and my post was a request for help for me to make it through another summer watching her do this to herself. </p>

<p>No, she isn’t behaving the way I behaved when I was younger. This is another surprise, as I never would have and did not put up with such garbage from any boy. </p>

<p>citygirlsmom, dad is in the picture. We have a long and stable marriage. My daughter is a real “daddy’s girl” and they have a great relationship. He hates to see her getting hurt because he knows there’s nothing he can do to fix it. </p>

<p>I am hoping that going away to college will be the best medicine for her. (I pray that she will not always choose guys she thinks she can “fix.”) We just have to get through the summer.</p>

<p>If that’s the case, then love her with all your love and all your ability. Love her and do let her make her own choices, even if they might mean hurting her own life as a concequence. See, once they turn into adults, there is not much more we as parents can do.</p>