Advice for dealing with my mom?

<p>Hello,</p>

<p>I am asking for advice for help with my controlling mother. </p>

<p>About me:</p>

<p>21 years of age, a senior in college taking 15 credits finishing over summer session (so by July or August) with a 3.9 GPA. I work between 20-30 hours a week at a decent paying job for a student (appprox $13 an hour; been there 5.5 years) and commute to school 70 miles round trip once a week. I live at home with my parents rent free, however, I do pay for a large majority of my expenses. I pay for all of my school expenses (books, fees, tuition), bought my car myself and pay for the gas and any parts for repairs, my clothes, essential toiletries (shampoo, deo, etc), for outings with my friends and boyfriend, for a chunk of my food, my cell phone, and for any random essentials I might need (haircuts, storage basket, etc). I also occasionally make purchases if my mother asks me to (such as picking up things at the grocery store). I do my own laundry, pick up after myself, cook my own meals and am generally not home much or am studying if I am. I have no student loans and no credit card debit. My car is 100% paid for. </p>

<p>My father said he would pay for my health insurance (approx $35 a month), and my car insurance ($600 a year underneath him; he also will splurge for my oil and change it which is approx $100 a year), which is very generous. I have offered to pay both expenses, but he said he wanted to help me out this way since he can’t help me with my tuition bills. I am rarely sick and so often do not have doctor bills. I again am willing to pay any I incur, however, am applying (and will probably qualify) for a program where because I am low-income my doctor bills will be paid for by a third party. I file as an independent for my taxes and have had no legal or substance abuse problems. I also due occasionally (once every week or two) take my younger brother or mother to work or pick them up because they share a car and timing doesn’t always turn out. </p>

<p>Essentially, I try to take responsibility for myself and try not to be a pain in the ass. </p>

<p>My mother is where I have problems. If I don’t do exactly what she wants, she is upset. I cannot watch certain movies at our house (even if she is not home. If she sees the case or finds out she is mad), she yells at me over little things, won’t allow me to sleep at my boyfriends house (I can understand him not coming here, but she won’t let me sleep at his place either), and won’t respect my privacy. I caught her snooping through the Valentines Card my boyfriend gave me which was in MY room and she insisted upon being present when he opened his present from me (which I had told her about, so she knew already). She is upset I wouldn’t tell her how or for who I voted for, that I split my time for Christmas between my boyfriends family and mine (I checked and cleared this with her before hand but she was still upset), won’t allow certain music played in her house, tells me I’m weird, says I think I’m more grown up than I am, doesn’t understand why I can’t just pick her up sometimes, etc. If she doesn’t get her way or if someone expresses a different viewpoint she yells and stays mad for days. There was one instance where she yelled at me for 20 minutes in front of my boyfriend. He was extremely upset because it was totally inappropriate and a small no-big deal incident (she didn’t want to drive my dad’s car to work. My boyfriend and I had plans so I couldn’t drive her and I told her she needed to drive my dad’s car to work). There is an outburst like this at least 3-4 times a month over small, petty things. He says she is controlling and this bothers him. I assure him once I move out (ASAP), I don’t care what she thinks and she will have to come to grips that I make my decisions and run my own life. She yells at my dad all the time too. </p>

<p>I have looked into moving out. I can rent a room from someone all utilities included for $375 a month. I’ve added up my other bills (and adjusted as necessary, for example, my car insurance under my own policy would be $1,200 a year) and stacked it against my income and it would be VERY close to breaking even (it would depend on my hours worked since it varies week to week. Sometimes I get 25 hours a week, others 19). I’m worried I may fall $100-$200 short some months, however, I do have almost $20,000 in savings, so I could dip into that. Ideal financial situation? No, but when I graduate in 5-6 months, I will be able to take my hours at my current job until I can find a better paying one. </p>

<p>Obviously it’s a tricky situation. I have no relatives to move in with (my family has no contact with either side), my college has no dorm housing (and it would be too far from work), my dad can’t confront my mother because she will be mad at him for months ranting, raving and yelling, and anytime I try to talk with her calmly, respectively and like 2 adults about an issue all she does is yell at me and treat me like I am 5. My boyfriends place is too small and even then, he pays $950 for his rent, so I couldn’t pay 1/2 of that (which would be fair). My dad really feels for me but feels like his hands are tied. My mother works between 15-30 hours per week as a cashier. </p>

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<li>Any advice for dealing with my mother?</li>
<li>Would I qualify for food shelf help? Even if I could get 1 or 2 weeks worth of groceries free, that would be a huge help. </li>
<li>Although I want to move out (and am really close to being able to do it financially), is it wise considering my situation and finances?
I think I’d still be in okay shape even if I had to dip into my savings a bit until graduation, but again, realize that’s NOT ideal and really want to be careful with my money!! Any programs that could help me out just a bit?</li>
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<p>Just hang in there until graduation. You only have a few months left. I know it seems like a long time, but in the big scheme of things it’s not too bad. </p>

<p>YOU stay calm. Let her throw her fit. Tell her you appreciate all she does for you, you respect her, but you ARE an adult with your own mind, opinions, needs, etc.</p>

<p>While you are in her house, needing her assistance (which is where I think you should stay until graduation) you have to respect her rules.</p>

<p>Once you move out, you will have to firmly draw the line in the sand. I remember having to do this with my Dad. It was very painful…for both of us. Hang in there. It’s almost over.</p>

<p>I think the mature thing is to wait it out.</p>

<p>First of all, congratulations on managing your finances well. Very few can say they have savings, much less $20,000, and a car that is paid for. You seem to be a very responsible young woman and I am sorry that your mother doesn’t give you the respect and appreciation you deserve.</p>

<p>I assume your mother’s behaviour is not new and that you have suffered her treatment for some time now. Why not wait the few more months you have left to graduate? If you do have to leave now, I would think that your boyfriend would be happy to reduce the rent he pays by any amount… even if it isn’t half the rent. You’ll never know unless you ask him.</p>

<p>I would wait until you graduate from college. It will be a good time to make the break. If you move out now then your mom is going to know it is because you are mad at her, and then it would be hard to have a normal relationship with her (and your family) later.</p>

<p>I clearly think you could probably “make it” on your own, but I, too, would tell you to hang in there for graduation assuming you’ll be looking for a different job after graduation. You will want to be flexible to live where you want to live with proximity to your workplace. If you move out now then you might be locked into a year lease. Best of luck. I have a mother that is 86 and still helicopters me…seriously. She stopped by last night to tell me about the “winter storm” worrying that I “might try and drive to work in morning on bad roads.” OP, I’m past age 55. She is controlling but the chances of her changing are small.</p>

<p>I am trying to wait the few months left and while you are right and this is not new behavior, things have GREATLY intensified over the last few months as I have asserted more of my independence and I am concerned they will continue to do so. I try to spend less time at home, but even this infuriates my mother. </p>

<p>I do stay calm, do not yell back, etc, but if I even said I can have my own opinions this would infuriate her even more. Even if I retreat to another area of the house she follows me, continues to yell and nag at me, complains to my dad about it, etc. She will slam doors, break things, etc. She hasn’t broken anything of mine as of yet, but she has broken stuff that belongs to her and my dad. She will give me the silent treatment and complain about me behind my back. Outbursts are almost weekly or every 2 weeks, last for 2-3 days and often leave me in tears because of the put downs said during them. </p>

<p>I do try to respect the her house her rules thing, however, for example, if she finds out I’ve seen a movie at my boyfriends house that she doesn’t like, she gets mad over that too. I try not to tell her, but sometimes things slip in passing or someone might tell her they ran into me somewhere. Basically, I respect her place, but even if I do things she doesn’t like OUTSIDE of the house, that makes her mad too. </p>

<p>Thirdly, my mother is expecting me to stay home after I graduate. She thinks I should only move out if I get married. The break will be hard either way, but you are right it will probably be more so while I’m still in school. </p>

<p>I have offered to pay the expenses my dad picks up and offered to pay rent to her (their mortgage is an extremely low $400 a month, so dividing it 4 ways (4 people live here) to pay along with utilities would be easily manageable for me), but she refuses. I suppose because that means she couldn’t have the power to try and tell me what to do. </p>

<p>I do appreciate any and all advice. If anything, it’s reassuring, encouraging and helps me hang in there!!</p>

<p>I agree with the other posters who have said just wait the extra couple of months if you can. Do you plan to work at the same place after you graduate? If so, will you move into a different position with a higher salary? If not, now is a good time to start searching for a “after graduation” job. Once you know your work plans it will be clearer where you should move. Take your dad up on his offer to help and sock away as much money as you can and just sit tight for a few more months. As others have said, your mom is unlikely to change. Whether you are living there or not, she will still want to control your life. It is good to realize this and not take it personally. Just work on learning to let her comments “roll off” you. Part of what she likely is trying to do is bring you into the shouting match and if you refuse to participate she will stop screaming eventually. I agree with what the other posters have said about following the rules. I don’t think I would ever feel comfortable with my daughter bringing her boyfriend to sleep over until they were married! Call me old fashioned but that is just the way I feel. Even if her rules are silly, it is still her home and you must respect that for a few more months if you want to stay there…</p>

<p>You sound like a very mature, together, young lady and soon will be off on your own.</p>

<p>Mom of three boys, your mom sounds like my mother in law. Always worried about driving in the weather!! And she has never driven a day in her life!</p>

<p>Hugs! I’m so sorry that you are going through this with your mom. It sounds like she has anger management problems from the way you describe her behavior. Anger can destroy families. I saw this happen with a neighbor. Any chance you could talk to your father about the possibility that she could get counseling? Her behavior seems controlling and rigid.</p>

<p>I agree with the other posters that you should try to stick it out at home until you graduate. Try to be patient even though it sounds like you’re at the end of your rope.</p>

<p>I’m sorry, but I’m not familiar with any programs that might help you out financially.</p>

<p>You should give yourself a big pat on the back. You sound like a very responsible young adult.</p>

<p>After reading your second post, it sounds like her behavior could be characterized as verbally abusive. IMO, she needs counseling, but it sounds like she won’t agree to it.</p>

<p>wow it sounds like she’s having a really hard time . she probably realizes you are about to move out . no matter what kind of crazy things she does , just stay calm and walk away . show her by your behavior , that you are an adult . it will not help her but it will help you . try not to absorb the hurtful things she says .</p>

<p>I am not a parent (but I do live on my own and completely support myself), but I would absolutely move out in this situation. I think it’s better to live on a very tight budget than having to live with someone that disrespects and mistreats you. I wouldn’t wait to spare her feelings (aka so she wouldn’t know you were moving out because of her). She is the one choosing to disrespect and mistreat you. Some people are toxic and when it crosses over into how they treat you, I don’t think it should be tolerated (family or not family).</p>

<p>Plus, it seems to be affecting your boyfriend. It seems like he is being supportive, but I think it’s extremely tough being in a relationship with a person whose parent acts like that, and I think it’s your responsibility to not let your family make him uncomfortable (like the Valentine’s Day incident). Personally, I wouldn’t be OK with a partner who didn’t stand up for me to his family. I think his concerns are valid.</p>

<p>Yes, it’s just a few month, but I think being free of all this and living your own life is well worth it.</p>

<p>Oh, and by the way, if someone is being unreasonable and doesn’t see you as an adult it’s a waste of time to try to show them. If she doesn’t see it now, after everything you have done, I doubt it will change (or change any time soon).</p>

<p>exactly what mom to twins said</p>

<p>Roses - First of all, congratulations on all you have accomplished. You are basically self-supporting and very financially responsible, with a savings account to boot.</p>

<p>I know it’s tough, I had a pretty belligerent mom, but you really need to step away and just consider what is most advantageous to you at this point. Having $20K in savings and not even out of college is amazing. Most college students barely scrape by and manage to pay bills, and have NO savings. If the ‘pain index’ is so high that you really can’t stand it another second, I wouldn’t hesitate to tap that savings account.</p>

<p>But you appear to be very conservative with your money. If you’re worried about tapping into your savings, then take the help from dad, keep saving your money, and make sure you are prepared with a job and place to move to immediately after graduation.</p>

<p>momof3 is right, you may not want to get locked into a year’s lease right now. Also, I would be concerned about how your mom is going to take your leaving. Will things get worse, rather than better?</p>

<p>If I were you I would reduce contact with your mom to a bare minimum. Find a way to get out of the house earlier, return later, start reducing her dependency on you. That might help reduce the pain of the next few months.</p>

<p>But you really have to judge if you can tolerate another few months. There is absolutely nothing wrong with leaving a hopeless, abusive situation. It’s not your fault. You know your mom and your situation best. Please do what is best for you. Your mom, for whatever reason, can’t control herself. She’ll probably never be able to help you, and will instead harm you. It’s very sad, but it happens. I had a mom like that. The best thing anyone ever did for me was to tell me to leave home and leave her behind, because she couldn’t help me, or herself. </p>

<p>You’re mature, so make the mature decision, rooted in what is financially and emotionally right for you. Best of luck. It will be tough, no matter what you decide.</p>

<p>I think you deserve a better living situation, so I’m going to go against the consensus here. My advice is to make the break at the end of this semester (before the summer). See if you can find a roommate situation with other young women, then tell your mom you’re moving because you never experienced dorm life and this is your last chance to live with peers while you’re still in college.</p>

<p>If you don’t focus on the real reason that you’re moving out, you might pull it off with minimal drama, maintain a decent relationship with your mom and not dip into your savings too much.</p>

<p>Best of luck - I have no doubt that great things are in store for you.</p>

<p>I agree with neuroticparent. I think your mental health and your relationship with your boyfriend deserve better than what your mom is dishing out.</p>

<p>You have enough savings that dipping into it for a few months won’t hurt. Find a female roommate and go for it. </p>

<p>I’m sorry your dad cannot stand up to your mother for you. She sounds horrible to live with.</p>

<p>I’d move out now if at all possible. You have a lot in savings and it won’t hurt you to dip into that a bit. You should not get food stamps or other assistance with that kind of savings. Assistance is for people in much worse straits. Sometimes we just have to get off the pot, as dear old mom used to say.</p>

<p>It took me a while to type my last post, and I didn’t get to see your second post, OP, until I posted. I’d like to modify my response.</p>

<p>I find your second post a bit alarming, because your mother is escalating to physical violence, breaking things. </p>

<p>You’ve identified her pattern - you push for independence, she gets angry. The more independent you become the more angry she becomes, and now there is physical violence to boot. Not against you, but you don’t know if it could go that far.</p>

<p>There’s something really wrong here. This isn’t just your run of the mill controlling parent. Your mom needs help, but you can’t help her, sadly. You might also need help, someone to talk to, counseling, etc. I worry that staying in a verbally abusive environment is bad for you.</p>

<p>Go talk to a counselor at school. It’s hard to give advice in an internet forum. A counselor who can sit and be interactive with you and hear more of the story could be a tremendous help right now. They will have the training to help you assess the situation and can give you an objective point of view.</p>

<p>But I do still stand by my previous post, and think that given the situation I wouldn’t hesitate to leave. Really, talk to a counselor, who can help identify your mom’s deal. They might be able to advise you on how to get out of the situation with the least amount of drama, that would be a big help.</p>

<p>I have to learn to write shorter posts. A lot happens while I’m typing!</p>

<p>neuroticparent, I think that’s a very clever idea. Might work!</p>

<p>My dad was kind of like that. I was lucky enough to go away to college, but moved home for a couple months after I graduated, until I got a job. He kept saying I should get a job nearby and live at home until I got married (I was engaged at the time). I very deliberately only applied for jobs that were too far to commute to from home. </p>

<p>Only you know whether you can tolerate sticking it out for a few more months, but I agree with LizzieT… it sounds like things are escalating and moving out may be necessary.</p>

<p>Roses,</p>

<p>I too found your second post a bit more troubling than the first. You’re the one that’s there, and you’re a very intelligent person. I was one of the first to say you should stick it out. In most cases, because I want to carefully preserve family ties, I would opt to tough it out…BUT, no one should stay where they are being abused, or where they don’t feel safe.</p>

<p>No judgement at all if you decide that it’s just not healthy to be there. For sure your mom is not well. She’s definitely having a tough time, and it may get REALLY BAD. It would be great if she would go get some help.</p>

<p>I’ve no doubt you’ll be okay financially, especially if you’re dad can help out for a while. You should DEFINITELY talk to him about the situation with your mom. It sounds like he sort of feels at her mercy, but maybe he can convince her to go talk to someone.</p>

<p>I want to emphasize what others have said: It is not about the money. She is not going to change, even when you are fully supporting yourself and not living in the house. </p>

<p>I noticed that you said that your family has cut off ties from both sides of your extended family. This may be off topic, but unless you have good reason to maintain this separation, you might want to consider whether to reach out and make your own individual connections with extended family after you move out. And obviously close relationships with friends are important, too, which is sounds like you have. Your mother’s ability to use emotional blackmail to control you will be reduced if you have a tight, strong network of others to rely on for emotional and back-up support. It’s nice to have family beyond a single controlling person and her cowed spouse. Just because your mother has cut off relationships with these people doesn’t mean that you can’t have relationships with them.</p>