<p>and should I add the dude was hitting on the kid’s mom who acommpanied the visit (Tomoyo Harada 20 years after pretty in stil teenage dress size)?</p>
<p>oops 30 years after, that is.
I tried to find the phoro and gawk! she is still alive!!
how long ago was it you in Japan smarty?
she was the “thing” when, what, mid 80s?</p>
<p>When and where is the slot open? Maybe I’ll show up??</p>
<p>Gmom
PM fammom and ask her schedule, she’s the boss!! and doing important thing for our government with super busy schedule.
I am open 24/7.</p>
<p>love
I got better computer that opened DeAppel link
[Google</a> Translate](<a href=“http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.deappel.nl/&ei=8LSBTc7LOorZgAf0u-S9CA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CD4Q7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddeapple%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DvG8%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Divns]Google”>de Appel Amsterdam)
wow that’s long… maybe won’t show
let’s see…
it shows but only the front page. try clicking each links, there are more details.
"Curatorial programme " link sort of brags about Saskia now at Cooper, see that folks? Cooper name sell well.</p>
<p>smarty are you up?
I am going to whisper like the whispering rabbit.
[Amazon.com:</a> The Whispering Rabbit (A Little Golden Book) (9780307001382): Margaret Wise Brown, Cyndy Szekeres: Books](<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Whispering-Rabbit-Little-Golden-Book/dp/0307001385]Amazon.com:”>http://www.amazon.com/Whispering-Rabbit-Little-Golden-Book/dp/0307001385)
yes
you are old.
so am I, so is all us parents either baby boomer, Xer or some others.
these stuff are everywhere in our kids’ lives. have you seen Southpark or Dave Chapelle when your kid was still preteen?
I could not stop him even we got no TV, he’d find the way and tell me about it and asked if I get them.
and yes, I did find it funny. I could see thru what’s those writers are at it but hey, it is FUNNY!!
so I fed him tons of antidote books, writings or films that explaining what those words really mean and do to right minded folks. then hoped hoped he won’t say something stupidly offensive to wrong people at wrong place.
He did here there. I was in the fix many times up to 6th 7th grade.
then it changed. he did not change, but his surroundings changed. people around him’s mindset changed once his voice is deep and facial hair sprouted.
It become acceptable because they (grownups) know that he knows better.
I took it as skill of social grace needed to survive public HS. if you can’t play the game, you are out and miserable. I was one of those uppy tighty kid and was miserable until freed from Tiger parents.
they’d learn either way sooner or later. can’t worry too much. can’t save them all.
and
see here
<a href=“http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=■■■■■■[/url]”>Urban Dictionary: ■■■■■■;
<p>So what’s the difference, if you’re taking what was one a derogatory words used against homosexuals to mean something stupid or idiotic than the word still carries the same basic derogatory framework it always has. Albeit like the infamous n-word, gays often use this word in their own vernacular but that’s an entirely different situation than it being used in slang still with a meaning that demeans. I’m not that “out of it” that I haven’t run across this in school situations but once I explained to my kid that to use that word meant that a relative my child admired was being hurt it wasn’t done in my home anymore and I’m surprised that it apparently is acceptable or used. I mean I know kids will use it but that doesn’t mean we don’t say it’s not okay. Even in gay circles there is certainly a lot of concern about this acceptability in today’s current climate where there is some backsliding and certainly issues surrounding gay teens and bashing. It would be different if the word had evolved to some sort of positive meaning but your own link says it means stupid. Well, just saying, I’m not coming from a religious stance or a PC stance but just a position where we should teach our children to be accepting and avoid using terminology that has negative connotations whether others do it or not.</p>
<p>And Bears it sounds like you handled this well with your kid but I still think this is an interesting and important topic for discussion. What do words mean, when kids use this are they so beyond the negative meaning (in the old terms) that it shouldn’t matter that the word still carries a negative connotation. I don’t know…but I think I’ll just go have another cup of coffee now…oh and yeah my kid caught South Park and Chapelle but not at my house because I really felt it was inappropriate. And my kid is definitely not a stick in the mud by the way but actually one who really sticks up for underdogs and those who might be bullied which I’m proud of. But certainly not a prude.
Oh my, am I just a stick in the mud or on the right track, well maybe I’m on my track which is fine.</p>
<p>By the way just so I don’t get “misread” this is in no way a statement about Gmom et fils who posted the original post on this topic. I’m just finding this so different to me, the web site, and what I run into. I’m going to ask my kid about this, very curious as to the response.
And I think we all generally get along very well here or I wouldn’t feel comfortable asking or making my points.</p>
<p>Oh yeah and one last confession, I gave up on the no South Park thing about the middle of high school. But during junior high it just seemed like too much.</p>
<p>Ok here is some of my two cents:</p>
<p>middle aged tutorial for those of us who need it, my very limited understanding is:</p>
<p>Encyclopaedia dramatica is a spoof of Wikipedia,
[Encyclopedia</a> Dramatica - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia_Dramatica]Encyclopedia”>Encyclopedia Dramatica - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>and serves as a platform for Anonymous, which is a group of internet anarchists/activists/hacker terrorists : Think Robin Hood crossed with Bevis and B**tthead on steroids, only way way way scarier And with lots of shock value. And really horrifying sexual images. I dont exactly know what 4chan is, but I know that they have a /b/ forum which is a kind of post random stuff that offends each other forum.</p>
<p>[Anonymous</a> (group) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)]Anonymous”>Anonymous (hacker group) - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>So any thing that comes from encyclopaedia dramatica is going to be offensive, on purpose. </p>
<p>Also I agree with everything Arty is saying, and also agree with everything Bears is saying.</p>
<p>Weirdly, the only people I have used the “that is so gay” vernacular with is my lesbian bestfriend and her partner. mostly because she does it, and it rubbed off. </p>
<p>I have more to say, but want to post this and find my computer charger.</p>
<p>oh yeah, and Little Fur Family was my personal bliss generator, even as an adult. Cant remember the story, but the images really soothed me. Even as an adult.</p>
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<p>Okay now I get it, thanks switters. I keep forgetting that there are sites like that so take everything so without any grains of salt.
There’s a great radio show in Vermont run on an independent community radio station called This Show Is So Gay. It’s actually very well done.</p>
<p>Others may be able to access that show now because I believe it’s getting syndicated. Might be helpful for parents, he does some topics on bullying, issues around kids, gay kids etc. The moderator/host has a very interesting background and I think has developed programs for kids regarding bullying, gay teen issues, etc. And he is obviously out. This particular station has some very professionally done shows.</p>
<p>Also I’m chuckling because I can feel the eye rolls of all those kids here who read my post and are going “Jeez did you see that mom who thought encyclopaedia dramatica was a serious web site” Like Duh…
But I still object to the use of certain words even as jokes…oh I’ll stop now. Is it time for another cup of coffee or perhaps a sedative?</p>
<p>Hmm.
I seem to have caused some controversy – I haven’t looked at the other thread yet. I certainly never intended to offend anyone and my kids don’t ever talk like that at home. I didn’t take that website seriously either and doubt my kid does. D1 sometimes likes to try to shock me (which she was attempting last night, I suppose) but I was amused the way I’m sometimes amused by an off-color joke. For the record, my brother inlaw is gay and one of D1’s room mates at MICA was gay. I don’t particularly have anything against gay people and we don’t use words like ■■■ or ■■■■■■ in our house. D1 has been chastised before about her poor choice of words that she uses in social networking situations…she memorably posted something along the lines of H O L Y S H I T F U * K when she got into RISD and both her aunt and I called her on it.</p>
<p>I might be scared to look at the other site… might have opened a can of worms…</p>
<p>For the record, I don’t approve of mean spirited hacker mentality stuff like ED or 4chan. The Anonymous folks are pretty scary, and can be extremely destructive. I do like a good rage against the system, but the racism and homophobic rhetoric are way too fierce for me. But I did love me some South Park in my day. </p>
<p>But I fear for our kids, I mean there is so much gross and violent and pornographic images available that I think they are getting numbed to the outrage. </p>
<p>About the vernacular, I have never ever ever even once said the n-word. That one has a lot of power for me. I would probably have beaten my S to a pulp if he had ever used that word.
But we do once in a while use the f<em>g word. It comes from this time when I worked in north east ohio, and I would eat lunch with the construction guys and play endless games of euchre. One day they were asking me what my H does for a living (he is a librarian) and one of them said “oh he must be some kind of book f</em>g”. Of course I went home and told him, and it kind of stuck. So now if you really love something, that can come up as the slang, like I am a cat f*g. I think it is probably wrong, in the Arty sense of things to do this. </p>
<p>The worst thing that happened around this was this: I got into the habit of using my S’s
friends slang. There was a time a while ago (Im thinking 14ish) when all the boys were saying things were “■■■■■■■■”. I remember I was at the office and had just gotten through with a really painful meeting where everyone was being frustrating. I said “OMG, they were so ■■■■■■■■” to my coworker, and as soon as the words left my mouth I remembered that her oldest son has Down’s Sydrome. I was mortified, and later after I got my nerve up I went back to apologize. She just laughed at me.</p>
<p>No
Gmom can of worms are good, that’s what I live on, like occasional Chef Boyedee’s spaghetti:untidote to subtly seasoned al dente fanatico. It is necessary evil.
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<p>I should have had hint smarty don’t do jokes or cynics when she refused to test whiteness.
It must be hard time when she had lived in NYC. but when one is sencerly unaware of it, “not getting it” is a huge plus. eventually every cynics would admire and confide in them. like mother Theresa. beacon of hope in the general decency wasteland that is NYC.</p>
<p>switts you beat me!
the word for me is “suck” it was double whammy since my vocabulary was ballooning as he grew. I picked up everything he learned from lovely public school system.
I used it at my job and my properly mannered coworker gasped, and said
“does (his name) use that word to you??” in disbelief. she herself had a son few years older and went inner-city HS, not directly friend with my kid but someone knows him knows someone that is friend sort of thing.
have you get to read Judith Harris’s Nurture assumption yet?
in there was her observation of group of teen girls and one said out loud
" oh, shoot!"
then hurriedly corrected herseif
“I mean, shi*t!!!
kids would throw away lessons at home the moment they get to be with friends, Judith put is as " like itchy sweaters parents forced on a cold day”
I love my coworker dear dear dearly like I do smarty.
In fact, I do know some stuff that she won’t believe but I am not gonna ruin her day.</p>
<p>the thing i discovered about influencing my kid: If I gave an intellectual lecture about some issue it was met with resistance, but if I simply reacted to something emotionally, e heard it. So like there was this moment when they became kind of enamored with this one band (cant remember who now) that had really violent lyrics. I read some of the lyrics and burst into tears. He still remembers that.</p>