<p>^ In some professions like IB, I would not be surprised if this happens. However it never happens that a school is pitted against another school in the application process. However certain companies do have their favorites that may not be ivies.</p>
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That’s both pretentious and incorrect. The two often go together.</p>
<p>Anyone with 700+ on each section of the SAT, strong extracurriculars, and a top 10% class rank could get into Columbia. Everyone with such qualifications, however, will not get into Columbia. </p>
<p>It would have been an assumption if crs1909 had said the kids would have gotten into Columbia. That’s not what he said, though, is it?</p>
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<p>your parochialism is showing. </p>
<p>My guess is that you grew up/live/work somewhere near an Ivy college or two and have a high familiarity with how they are perceived in that region and how they are revered by the NY-dominated media outlets. If I’m correct in that guess, then play a game with me. </p>
<p>Pretend that you grew up in New Orleans or Memphis or Atlanta or Nashville or Houston or Fort Worth or….Pretend that your high school has a long history of sending its top students to places like Rice, Emory, Vanderbilt, and Duke as well as the many state universities in the South. </p>
<p>Given this change in setting, do you still think that if a student had his/her choice, the default selection would be Columbia over the REVD schools? I don’t. Not even close. </p>
<p>Maybe you don’t realize it, but the nature of the college experience at the REVD schools is qualitatively very similar inside the classroom at the non-HYP Ivies. But, to varying degrees, the REVD schools are very different outside of the classroom vis-</p>
<p>I can attest to what hawkette said. Living on Long Island I see lots of kids who go to Emory. Actually, it’s a really popular choice. But for sure it’s seen as a significantly lower tier (wrongly) and there are people I know who strongly considered (and in one or two cases did) turning down a full ride merit scholarship at Emory for one of the non-HYP Ivies. This was seen by most as a smart decision so long as it could be afforded.</p>
<p>I can just about guarantee that there’s no way a kid from Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, etc would make that same call. In fact, I would bet the numbers are just about totally reversed on cross-admits.</p>
<p>Even the best of the best are still largely drawing from their local geography for many good reasons. I think hawkette’s goal for this thread is admirable-- let’s point out a few of the schools that are typically overlooked by students on this webpage when they establish nationwide college lists.</p>
<p>I think the point is that its really easy to say “I wouldn’t want to go to X over Y” until you’ve actually had to make the decision.</p>
<p>@modestmelody: Actually, from my experience in Atlanta, the Emory scholarship response is similar. One of my friends got full rides to both Duke and Emory but chose MIT, another got a full ride to Emory and chose Dartmouth, and another got a full ride to Vanderbilt but chose Princeton. The Ivy name does seem to carry a lot of weight though, and the MIT guy and I are the only people I know who rejected an Ivy’s acceptance. Still, though, half of the Southern “lay people” I’ve talked to think that Duke is an Ivy.</p>
<p>^I wouldn’t base too much off the choices of your friends because I know I wouldn’t want stay home for college.</p>
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<p>Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m gonna make the very bold leap and assume that you either attended a private school and/or come from a wealthy background. If so, that provides a little context as to why the Ivy name carries a lot of weight where you are from.</p>
<p>At my wealthy public school in D/FW, most of the tippy top students who have the kind of grades to be competitive for Ivy admissions usually choose UT/A&M Honors Program or Rice/Vandy/Duke/Emory. In general, the Ivies don’t have the same unquestionable allure and prestige here as they do elsewhere.</p>
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I don’t recall any mention of specific academic stats/student profiles by crs1909. Your entire statement seems to be derived from such stats. That’s not what he said, though, is it? </p>
<p>And if you really want to be nitpick: Anyone, regardless of stats and barring a criminal record/other similar problem, could get into Columbia. However, the majority will not be admitted. Therefore, I think it’s safe to assume that crs1909 meant said students would have been admitted when he says “could’ve gotten in”.</p>
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<p>I’m from an average small town in the middle of one of the more rural areas of Wisconsin, and HY make people go “Whoa! Crazy!” Its schools like UChicago, WashU, Emory, and Vanderbilt that carry absolutely no name recognition at all. People even know Dartmouth, Columbia and Cornell to a certain extent more than the non-Ivies, because they tend to show up in movies.</p>
<p>MSauce: little fyi…when someone uses ‘^’, they’re almost always responding to the previous post</p>
<p>In addition, I preceded my question w/ a quote, which was not yours. I honestly have no idea how you thought I was referring to you.</p>
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<p>Fine, let me rephrase it for you then…I know a ton of kids from Tennessee and Kentucky who had the academic background to be very competitive for admissions into Colombia. For instance, one of my best friends here got a 35 on the ACT, was Valedictorian, took all available APs and was also accepted into Harvard, Yale and Duke. If he could get into Harvard, Yale and Duke, I’m guessing he’d probably be competitive at Columbia, right?</p>
<p>A few more comparisons related to finances:</p>
<p>USNWR Financial Resources Rank</p>
<p>22 Rice
18 Emory
15 Vanderbilt
11 Duke</p>
<p>26 Brown
15 Columbia
17 Cornell
12 Dartmouth
8 U Penn</p>
<p>Endowment per capita based on 6/30/09 values</p>
<p>$844,916 Rice
$432,417 Emory
$289,010 Vanderbilt
$435,544 Duke</p>
<p>$333,977 Brown
$308,105 Columbia
$275,149 Cornell
$674,475 Dartmouth
$327,756 U Penn</p>
<p>% of need met </p>
<p>100% Rice
100% Emory
100% Vanderbilt
100% Duke</p>
<p>100% Brown
100% Columbia
100% Cornell
100% Dartmouth
100% U Penn</p>
<p>I take it you have elected to ignore my post #17.</p>
<p>Upon a quick look, this was taken from a June 2008 article:</p>
<p>"The yearly check from Albany functions as a de facto endowment for the statutory colleges, funding professor salaries, student services, and research initiatives. Last year, Cornell received $175 MM in state support. That’s the functional equivalent of a $3.5 billion endowment. </p>
<p>Next year? $169 MM."</p>
<p>It goes on to decry that these sums represent less than 30% of the statutory college’s budget, whereas it used to be 70%, and that the support in real terms has been declining.</p>
<p>That trend is undoubtedly accelerated currently, as the NY State budget is certainly challenged these days. Nevertheless, that’s still a lot of money that has been coming in that is not accounted for in #212. Just back of the hand, $3.5 billion divided by 20,000 students is additional $175,000 endowment equivalent per capita.</p>
<p>External research funding is probably also not accounted for.</p>
<p>“Thus true inter-institutional endowment comparisons which do not detail quasi-endowments represented by state funding initiatives as well as external research funding grossly misstate the comparability between institutions which may, or may not, be inherently non-comparable.”
[List</a> of colleges and universities in the United States by endowment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment]List”>List of colleges and universities in the United States by endowment - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>“…HY make people go “Whoa! Crazy!” Its schools like UChicago, WashU, Emory, and Vanderbilt that carry absolutely no name recognition at all. People even know Dartmouth, Columbia and Cornell to a certain extent more than the non-Ivies, because they tend to show up in movies.”</p>
<p>So what are you trying to tell us? That you want to get “Whoa” kind of reaction when you tell people where you go for college? Or That you want people to know where you go to college? If it’s the former, then only HYPSM schools have the power to produce that effect. For the latter, you can do that by going to LSU or USC.</p>
<p>@Bear, the only reactions that matter are those of employers. I think you would agree an employer knows the difference between a Vanderbilt and LSU (no offense Tigers) degree.</p>
<p>Dartmouth is the best on that list
Columbia 2nd</p>
<p>UPenn is easy to get into and way overrated, only redeeming quality is Wharton</p>
<p>ib,
Pretty shallow stuff. Care to expand on how you reached your conclusions?</p>
<p>Let me guess. You either work in investment banking or you want to work in investment banking or you grew up in a family where a parent is an investment banker?</p>
<p>^ Hypocrisy never fails to amuse me.</p>
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<p>There are literally thousands of kids who have the stats for the top 20 colleges and attend top 20 colleges but do not apply to Columbia bcos they don’t want the Big Apple experience.</p>
<p>^Undoubtedly true. Similarly, there are many “blue state” students, with all of their inherited stereotypes, who would not apply to REVD, and “red state” students who would not apply to the Ivy League (excepting perhaps Princeton or, maybe, Dartmouth).</p>
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The entire point was that someone claimed getting into an Ivy is a big deal at his school and crs claimed that the rest of the world isn’t like that and only elite private schools are impressed by Ivies. I was saying that’s absolutely not true, because its probably more likely that someone at a private school will be impressed by Vanderbilt than someone from your average non-southern small town.</p>
<p>And crs, I know you weren’t talking to me, I was just pointing out that its not only private school students who are impressed by Ivies.</p>