I started but haven’t finished Kim and Penn’s most recent podcast, but one of the things they talk about is how people are commenting that they don’t like them or that they’re too much. And Kim agreed that they are too much and she sees how they’re not for some people. Also Penn said he didn’t realize how loud and out there he was until he saw himself on the Race. They also had their kids on at the beginning and they sound just like Kim in their phrasing and intonation.