American dentist kills iconic African lion for sport

So just to clarify, Bay: your position is that killing lions is a good thing?

As I said earlier, there’s a plausible argument that can be made for that position. I’d perhaps have more sympathy for it if lion populations weren’t suffering such a drastic decline—it’s truly not a question of “more animals,” it’s a question of how many fewer. According to the IUCN, the species commonly known as the African lion (Panthera leo) once ranged through all of Africa except the Sahara, into southwest Asia from Anatolia and the Levant into what is now Pakistan and India, and into parts of southern Europe. The European populations are long since extirpated; the Asian population is reduced to a small, isolated, remnant subpopulation in a single protected forest in India; the North African population is locally extirpated; a few survivors persist in West Africa where the species is critically endangered; and the East African population is substantially reduced in numbers and declining rapidly. Lion populations are relatively stable only in a few Southern African countries—South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, and Namibia—only because the governments there have set aside large areas of lion habitat as national parks, where habitat is protected, the killing of lions is prohibited or strictly controlled, and human-lion contacts are limited or strictly regulated. As a result of all this, the global lion population has shrunk from an estimated 400,000 in the 1940s, to perhaps 70,000 in the 1980s, to somewhere between 16,000 and 32,000 today (estimates vary), with most of the remaining lions in the above-named countries. The IUCN estimates present-day lion range is approximately 8% of the species’ historic range. So this is truly a species on the brink.

Given that context, even if you buy the argument that a well-managed hunt can actually be a valuable conservation tool as the governments of the 4 Southern African nations claim, doing what Palmer and his accomplices did is absolutely inexcusable. A hunt can be well managed only if the hunters follow the rules and obtain the proper permits, and the remaining protected lion habitat has to be inviolable ground. By entering the national park to lure Cecil out, Palmer essentially hunted in the national park, where for good reason hunting is prohibited. The researcher who had recorded Cecil’s every move for 9 years says there’s simply no way an experienced big game hunter like Palmer wouldn’t know that he was inside the national park, nor is it plausible that he was unaware that hunting was prohibited there. That’s why the government of Zimbabwe views this as a serious crime, because it is basically a frontal attack on Zimbabwe’s lion conservation program.

Critics of the “hunt for conservation” rationale point out that the revenue African governments receive from big game hunting pales in comparison with the revenue generated by the spending of people who travel to these national parks just to observe and photograph wildlife. Cecil, in particular, was worth far more to Zimbabwe alive than dead. Moreover, it’s not clear how much of the hunting revenue is actually going to conservation purposes, rather than being diverted to other government projects or lining the pockets of bureaucrats and corrupt officials. Granting big game hunting permits to wealthy, predominantly white American and European hunters also stirs resentment in the local population by perpetuating or re-creating the colonialist racial caste system, and it creates a space in which locals may be tempted to join in aiding poachers so as to get their cut of the substantial sums of money being thrown around. At best, “hunt to conserve” sends a mixed message—it’s apparently alright to kill lions, and both the government and a few specially licensed guides and outfitters claim the right to profit handsomely from it; but if you’re not one of the favored few, lion hunting and the business of supporting lion hunting are strictly prohibited. That doesn’t sit too well with those who are cut out of the action, many of whom may not feel a great deal of allegiance to their government and its rules to begin with. It also sends a mixed message to big game hunters worldwide; the governments are effectively saying, “We not only condone but actually welcome the killing of lions, but only if you deal with us on monopoly terms.” Those who don’t get the handful of legal permits may then be tempted to skirt the rules and make their own private arrangements; it seems likely to me that’s what Palmer did. On top of that, many, perhaps most African governments don’t have the capacity to police and enforce such a regime effectively. The predictable result is a high level of poaching, ineffective enforcement of anti-poaching laws, and ineffective conservation programs. And surprise, surprise, that has been the actual result on the ground most places “hunt to conserve” has been tried.

Our South African friend said it’s commonly said in SA that only Americans and celebrities go to the private game preserves, even for photo safaris. They’re too expensive for the locals. Of course, it helps that the currency exchange rate is so favorable for Americans right now. The first time I went over, 5 or 6 rands equaled a dollar. This summer, it was 12.3 rands to a dollar.

Here we go again:

http://news.yahoo.com/pennsylvania-doctor-linked-second-zimbabwe-lion-hunting-probe-184735698.html#

My position on killing lions is neutral; it depends on the context and purpose. I eat meat and exterminate rats so I try not to be a hypocrite about killing animals. I personally have no desire to ever kill any sort of cats. I love cats.

Local Africans kill lions because lions kill their livestock and intrude upon their habitation. I just read a National Geographic article about African vultures disappearing, in large part because Africans poison lion kills in order to kill the lions for killing their livestock, and the vultures then eat the poisoned kills and are now disappearing.

There is also at least one study by Lindsey, (sorry I can’t find it right now), reporting that in the African countries where lion trophy hunting was banned, lion populations decreased not increased.

I also remember reading that the land area of hunting game preserves where lions live in Africa is larger than all of the national park preserves. I think this applies to the entire continent and not to Zimbabwe specifically. Which is why I ask, where will these lions live and why will Africans protect them if they cannot make money from protecting them? The land owners will have no incentive to preserve their habitats or even their lives if they choose to use their land for other purposes.

If trophy hunting can be banned, and lion populations sufficiently maintained, then I have no problem with banning it. But I am not sure the problem is solved so easily in countries where the citizens are living in abject poverty and there is money to be had in managed trophy hunting. If the biggest problem is not that trophy hunting endangers species, but is in getting the $50K to the right people, then that is where the focus ought to be placed. I don’t understand the studies that conclude that only 5% or whatever is going to the locals. If all of it is going into the country’s economy, that seems just as good in my mind. We can try to help these governments allocate their resources better, but we cannot force them.

This is not the Lindsey study I was thinking of, but it has some relevant content:

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0073808

Looking at the issue from another perspective: Who is going to pay for the habitats for these animals to live? How effective would the “trickling down from the “winners” on the Earth” (currently mostly the whites from EU and US) help pay for these animals shrinking living space? Who has more means to do this?Will the animal lovers be more financially capable of funding their living spaces than the trophy hunters will? This could come down to the question how the wealth of the world should be better distributed (then I may start to talk like someone who hates the rich.)

The answer to this is already known. While eco-tourism brings in much more revenue than trophy hunting, the per capita income does not compare. Perhaps Mainelonghorn can tell us how the cost of her photo-jeep ride compared to the $50k that Palmer spent.

Increasing eco-tourism to make up for lost trophy hunting revenue adds more human pressure to the natural environment. If there is no need to make up that revenue, then it is not an issue.

But 50 people pay 1K each to to see the lion, the lion is still alive.

One more article about a female trophy hunter.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/idaho-huntress-sabrina-corgatelli-justifies-hunting-shocking-photos-201538

According to National Geographic, trophy hunting revenue represents 3.2% of Zimbabwe’s annual tourism revenue. The biggest tourist attraction is Victoria Falls, which Zimbabwe shares with Zambia, though the Zambian side now gets more visitors. I’d imagine a high percentage of the visitors to the Zimbabwe side of the Falls also do some wildlife viewing, especially in Hwange National Park which is quite close to Victoria Falls, less than 2 hours drive by the main road connecting Victoria Falls to Bulawayo. Reviewers on TripAdvisor report that the Park is not very crowded, probably due to its large size, relatively remote location, and comparatively low volume of tourism in Zimbabwe, partly due to the bad press the country gets for its economic miseries, corruption, autocratic rule, human rights violations, etc. Typical comments on TripAdvisor: “Not many people about this park. Not crowded and easy access.” “. . . saw very few other cars.” “So isolated. and a very nicely maintained park.” “The park is really big and we generally felt like we had the place pretty much to ourselves.” “. . . our experience was void of hordes of tourists and the animals were more wild and not used to tourists [in comparison to some other African wildlife parks.]”

That doesn’t sound like a lot of “human pressure.” Probably could ratchet up wildlife viewing/photography tourism a notch to replace the modest revenue Zimbabwe earns from big game hunting without harming the wildlife. In fact, the net effect would almost certainly be beneficial to some species, like the lion. According to National Geographic, 800 lions were killed in legal hunts in Zimbabwe between 1999 and 2009 “on top of what was likely an even greater number that were killed illegally.” Estimates of the total population of lions in Zimbabwe range from 500 to 1,680. I’m no wildlife biologist, but to me that kill rate seems plainly unsustainable.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/07/150731-lion-hunting-zimbabwe-cecil-conservation-animals/

re: post 408:
The article linked has a link to her wide open facebook page, where she brags about killing an old giraffe. That poor creature.
" Day #2 I got a amazing old Giraffe. Such a amazing animal!! I couldn’t be any happier!! My emotion after getting him was a feeling I will never forget!!!"

The comments on her facebook page are pretty telling.

And info on the Pittsburgh oncologist who also reportedly illegally killed a lion, back in April http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2015/08/02/zimbabwe-alleges-2nd-american-involved-in-illegal-lion-hunt

The woman linked above is equally repellent to me as Palmer. She says that it goes beyond just “hunting and killing” the animal – you form a real “connection” with that animal. So you form a connection with an animal and then you proceed to slaughter it? Honestly, I wish I could wrap my brain around this but sorry my mind just does not comprehend it.

Whoa! Was just reading some of the comments written by the many, many very angry and disgusted posters on Sabrina Corgatelli’s “personal website” facebook page, and one of the profanity-laced comments of outrage is written by a neighbor of mine just down the road!

All this media attention has opened up my eyes to something I really didn’t know much about.

I would rather appreciate the beauty of these animals and let them live. I don’t have the desire to see this woman’s facebook page as it would just give me a real sick feeling.

Maybe this will catch on:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/delta-bans-exotic-animal-trophies-after-cecil-the-lion_55bfa7fee4b0d4f33a0380ba?

The less support for this sickening hobby the better.

The lodge we stayed at was about $1,000 per day, per person (double occupancy). That covered everything - room, meals, ranger, and tracker. Very expensive but so worth it.

I know there are more expensive places. You can also go less expensive, if you stay in the lodges in Kruger National Park.

Airlines now banning shipment of hunting trophies.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/delta-american-ban-shipment-of-big-game-hunting-trophies/ar-BBlmLbL#image=1

^That’s great news!

What if, instead of shooting a lion, an American dentist was reported to have had sex with a 16-year-old prostitute in Thailand? Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, but it’s sort of semi-illegal. Would it matter to anybody that prostitution is vital to the Thai economy? How much would it matter that thousands of other Americans had gone to Thailand to have sex with underage prostitutes, with no legal consequences to them?

Since we slaughter cows daily, and we don’t need to eat them, there should be an equal outrage over doing so, but there isn’t.