Are they the same Chinese who hack into US computer systems and databases?
No. HFSE is internet vigilanteism, a combination of doxxing and public humiliation. It’s not hacking.
This story has absolutely blown up my facebook feed. Mass murders (of humans) don’t generate this type of outrage. #Lionlivesmatter
I was being tongue in cheek, about the double standard, NoVADad. Some Chinese can shame people who search and then out stuff on the web, while others are busy hacking into our databases and stealing personal and sensitive information. Hmmm… Seems fair. Not.
^^ And you’re certain our people are not doing the same thing to them?
We do a lot of surf fishing during the summer months and only keep what we are going to consume that night and the next. Small fish we throw back and once we have enough we simply catch and release.
We have about 40 white-tailed deer living on our property. When we bought the property 16 years ago we noticed 3 or 4 tree stands scattered throughout the wooded parts. The previous owners had allowed hunters on the property. H and I agreed that the stands would be removed and I just told the guys to dispose of them. H, who was traveling at the time, said he was sure the hunters would be back for them. He was right. They appeared the following Fall none to pleased that their tree stands were gone and that we would not allow them to hunt the property.
While the white-tails make it more difficult to maintain landscaping and gardens, we have come to love them. Every May or June we have 7 or 8 fawns scampering across the lawns – they still delight my children. For some reason the Bucks tend to stay hidden in the wooded part of the property, but when they do emerge they are a sight to behold. They are huge with massive antlers.
The US does not hack Chinese or French or German computer systems. And Snowden was just making stuff up.
Anyway, I hope Palmer does not have kids applying to Ivy league schools this year.
@NoVADad99 , thanks, good to know he’s not going to get to display his trophy. I was wondering about that.
I’m sorry his kids have been outed, but I’d bet anything he’s teaching them to follow in his footsteps and kill beautiful animals for fun. Maybe this episode will stop the cycle in that family.
I’d call him human pond scum, but that’s too kind. A - he’s not human, and B - Pond scum is gross but not despicable.
^^ Think of the great essays they can write about this experience.
I will say though that I find the 2 costumed protestors at Palmer’s house with water guns and stuffed lions a little ridiculous. Theatrics of this nature detract from the issue and are usually undertaken by people who are seeking a spotlight themselves.
It is sick what this POS did to that majestic animal. I have no problem with hunting for food, but for sport, I find a bit sick. Having said all of that, I am a bit dismayed that folks are outraged over this, but see no problem with unarmed citizens being gunned down by cops, not a peep. Jimmy Kimmel, was choked up over this during his monologue last night.
“I am a bit dismayed that folks are outraged over this, but see no problem with unarmed citizens being gunned down by cops, not a peep.”
Many of us are outraged about both things. I can definitely be outraged about several things at the same time.
Now he is saying he “didn’t know it was a known, local favorite until the end of the hunt”. http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_28554997/cecil-lions-killer-i-didnt-know-he-was. does that mean hours later when he was shot and taken out of his misery?
Even if it means that, jym, he knew that Cecil was a “known, local favorite” when he was photographed grinning maniacally over the dead body.
To me the problem isn’t hunting and fishing, what bothers me is stupid hunting and fishing. People enjoy hunting and they use the animals they hunt, many people hunt to feed their families, they kill several deer and that meat holds them until next hunting season. Likewise,with fishing, the people who fish either eat what they catch, or they practice catch and release. With fish, with the ‘big game fish’ like sailfish, marlin, swordfish and the like (the so called billfish), it is almost all catch and release these days. What happens is when you catch one of these, the crew takes pictures of you with the catch, they take measurements of it, and when you get back to land a taxidermist creates a lifelife replica out of fiberglass and such that looks like a stuffed real fish. With Tuna, they usually end up being sold by the captain, which goes into high end sushi restaurants and such (a bluefin tuna that weights 800 pounds can go for as much as 100k). I object to needless killing, and unlike hunting with fishing there are alternatives to killing the fish, they can be released, which are what happens automatically when they are below a certain size.
This kind of thing like this idiot dentist is just pure ego, and it isn’t even very macho, the way they hunt game the animals have very little chance thanks to the way they hunt them. Put it this way, I don’t hunt, but I have friends who do, and even the best of them rarely get a deer, when hunting the way they do, especially by bow and arrow, the animals still have the upper hand in evading people, no matter how good they are. They also appreciate the animals they kill, and they all try to kill the animal with one shot, and they use what they take, they eat the meat, and they also are in favor of conservation as well. There are a lot of pseudo hunters, idiot morons like this clown who buy elaborate hunting gear, go out into the woods, and pop at anything that moves and otherwise are a menace, but there are also a lot of hunters who appreciate what they are doing. Like this dentist, the idiots are looking for bragging rights, making themselves look like ‘real men’ or whatnot, and to me are disgusting. Be great if these rich guys, rather than bagging animals who already are endangered (and I don’t buy the crap that the money they spend on licenses helps support conservation, most of the money that those licenses generate I would bet go right into the pockets of bureaucrats and government officials, the places where they are hunting are not exactly known for ethical government), would brag about how much they have donated to save these animals, and would proudly, instead of having a picture of them with a lion’s head, a picture of the animals they helped save…
Here’s a question. Lets assume that he won’t be stupid enough to go big game hunting here in the US anytime soon (signal facetious/sarcasm detector)… but, if he did want to, this guy has a felony record. He pled guilty to lying about where he shot the bear to the fish & wildlife service. He pled guilty and got a fine and probation. So, a convicted felon cannot have a gun, correct?? I am surprised he is allowed to have his dental license, since per MN law if he has had a felony of “moral turpitude” he cannot (http://www.stcloudstate.edu/online/_files/documents/FelonyCareerRestrictions.pdf
Guess lying to state officials isnt bad enough. Never mind the sexual harassment suit filed my his receptionist that he settled for $, without admitting guilt. But thats not a felony…
http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_28549576/cecil-lion-accused-killer-illegally-shot-bear
No doubt it makes Walter Palmer feel like a big macho man to fill his trophy room with the heads of all the animals he’s slaughtered, but to my mind what he did wasn’t even “sport.” To lure a magnificent beast out of its protected area with the carcass of another animal and then take it down in a cowardly ambush isn’t hunting, it’s wanton slaughter.
I don’t hunt, but I grew up in an area where hunting was probably the single most popular recreational activity–or maybe second, after drinking, though many people combined the two in week-long trips to their hunting camps–and a deep part of local culture and tradition. I was always taught that there are ethical ways to hunt, and there are unethical ways. Baiting is wrong; the animal has no chance, which takes any semblance of sport out of it, and that’s why baiting deer, for example is prohibited in Minnesota and many other states. It’s also deeply wrong and morally abominable to hunt in a way that causes needless suffering. Here’s where some would say all recreational hunting is wrong—because it’s ultimately unnecessary, any suffering it causes is needless, and that’s where I draw the line in my own life, too. (Others would argue culling the deer population is sometimes necessary from a wildlife management perspective, if only because we’ve extirpated the predators that once kept deer populations in check. Culling the African lion population doesn’t seem necessary, but if it is, that’s a decision for wildlife officials to make). But I wouldn’t deny others the right to hunt so long as they do it lawfully and with some semblance of ethics and moral responsibility. If you’re going to hunt, you have an obligation to kill the animal quickly and cleanly, with a single shot if possible, to minimize its suffering. If you can’t get that kind of clean shot, let it go, and wait until you have a better chance. I have no reason to doubt Palmer’s claim to be an excellent marksman with a bow and arrow, but realistically, what were his chances of killing a 420 pound adult male lion by an arrow with a single shot? Greater than zero, probably, but low enough that to my mind this is also just needless infliction of cruelty. And in fact Palmer only wounded Cecil; he and his party then tracked the wounded beast for another 40 hours before finally catching up to and killing it, which meant Cecil suffered from a grievous but not fatal wound for 40 hours. What kind of moral degenerate would hunt this way, and for what purpose? Well, to gratify his twisted ego, I suppose, so he can go back home and boast to friends and family that he not only killed a lion, but he did it with bow and arrow. Appalling.
Palmer is also a proven poacher and liar. He was cited in Minnesota for fishing without a license–a form of poaching–and he was convicted in Wisconsin of lying to fish and game officials after he killed a bear 40 miles outside the zone where he was licensed to hunt bear (poaching), then transported the carcass back to the lawful hunting area and falsely reported he had killed it there (lying). Given that track record, I don’t for a minute believe Palmer’s claim that he thought he was hunting lawfully, when in fact neither he, nor anyone in his party, nor the game farm where he ambushed the lion had the lawful permit needed to kill a lion. The fact that he and his party tried unsuccessfully to destroy the radio collar is pretty clear evidence, it seems to me, that they knew they were up to no good and were trying to cover their tracks. Mostly likely this guy just wanted to add a lion to his trophy collection, and when he couldn’t get legal authorization to do that, just went ahead and did it anyway–poaching, same as with the bear in Wisconsin–and is once again lying about it to cover his tracks. His statement of “regret” and protestation of innocence were manufactured by a Minneapolis p.r. firm and ring utterly insincere.
This has no relation to standard hunting or fishing for food. As @musicprnt notes, most billfishing is catch and release now as are other types of fly fishing for sport. If you catch a tuna you can keep it and eat it for dinner which I have done. He is also correct in that the modern “taxidermied” sailfish are actually replicas made after photographs NOT the real fish which is released. I know it is the climate change thread that has turned into the fish thread, but DH does not keep any wild fish - only hatchery if we actually plan to eat it within a day or two.
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/29/jimmy-kimmel-cecil-the-lion
Kimmel made this the focus of his monologue last night and got visibly upset. He called for donations to the research program to try and get something positive out of this.
Video at bottom of article.