Apparently lots of people out there with more money than sense.
http://m.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Lawsuit-Jimmy-John-s-bars-employees-from-working-5824918.php
Someone up thread asked why baiting with a hook for fishing is any different from baiting for mammals as Palmer did for the lion. There is actually almost no relationship whatsoever. Many kinds of fishing take a lot of skill. If you’ve ever seen fly fishing, or a fisherman making a fish lure, you’re looking at real skill. Even just sitting in a boat with a pole in the water can take skill, which is why the line “the one that got away” is so famous. Good fishing involves patience, skill and some level of knowledge about where to put the lime.
For this lion, “baiting” consisted of throwing some poor dead animal in the back of a truck to put its scent in the air to draw the lion out of its protected habitat. That is the level of skill on a par with luring a 4 year old with freshly baked chocolate chip cookies - it doesn’t take much.
Our area is absolutely overrun with deer, yet it’s still illegal to use bright lights to hunt them at night.
This man is not a sportsman. He might as well claim to hunt teeth when he has a patient in his dentist chair.
Oh, I read this wrong, on the “Occupations Impacted by Felony Convictions” on the MN site:
SO his felony may not be “reasonably” related to the practice of dentistry, and his sexual harassment case was in civil court. But somewhere in the article I linked previously, it said his license to practice in MN
So does he have an associate seeing his patients in his office while he is out killing innocent animals?
Sorry hayden, but luring fish with bait, whether it’s a hand-made lure or a worm on a hook, its still enticing an innocent animal for the purpose of catching and usually killing it. No difference to me. And even if some fish are thrown back, many might be injured and not survive. People get up in the wee hours of the night and stand in deer stands or make duck call noises to attract and kill animals. Its all distasteful to me no matter how much patience or skill it takes.
I looked up Palmer with the Board of Dentistry. It seems at some point he was subject to “corrective” but not disciplinary action. To receive information on correction action, one must contact the Board directly, but here’s a link to recent corrective actions levied by the Board.
http://mn.gov/health-licensing-boards/images/corrective-actions.pdf
I don’t consider recreational hunting a sport, but for many families in my area it’s how they put food on the table. I don’t think Palmer was planning on eating his “take”.
If you eat meat, it seems to me to be hypocritical to criticize someone who fishes and eats their catch.
Plus, most fishing trips I’ve ever been on, were more about sitting in a boat, and enjoying the morning, or my favorite, walking along side a river, climbing over logs and rocks, looking for the perfect place to get a bite, than actually catching, cleaning & eating fish.
WTF. He has a sexual harassment case too?? What a piece of work.
@bclintonk – I don’t know if you got to see yelp last night, but there was quite a bit of speculation that Dr. Pondscum feels the need to compensate for the size and effectiveness of his man parts.
I think people are getting a little too emotional about this.
As far as we know, what he did was perfectly legal. He hired licensed guides who were fully permitted. He was told by these guides that he was able to kill such-and-such animals, and he did just that. Obviously a mistake was made and the wrong animal was killed.
While I don’t agree with trophy hunting on the basis of morality, I do acknowledge the fact that this dentist may have done nothing wrong within the legal framework.
Furthermore, Zimbabwe’s government is a mess… it would not surprise me if they had no idea what they were doing as far as wildlife conservation goes. Permits are supposed to be handed out contingent upon the sustainability of the animal population being hunted.
Legal does not always equal right.
It may well be true that this guy is taking the fall for a lot of other people who have done the same thing with no public reaction. You know what? I don’t care.
By the way, I don’t like the suggestion that when anybody does something stupidly macho that he’s compensating for a deficiency in his privates. That’s an insult to people with modest privates.
@Hunt Regardless of what’s going on downstairs, his heart and his moral compass are completely AWOL.
Big game trophy hunting has been going on for decades and a Danish zoo killed 4 healthy lions to make way for a new one. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/27/world/europe/lion-killing-at-danish-zoo-provokes-fresh-outrage.html?_r=0 So why the extreme outrage now? Will Hemingway now be pulled from bookshelves?
Is this really so different from hanging a hornet/wasp/fly trap? How does this differ from baiting fishing hooks and celebrating with joy while watching the fish struggle all in the presence of children.
I’m just sayin’…
I don’t like that the dentist killed the lion, but because it was Cecil shouldn’t suddenly make it worse.
Oh, killing a lion with a name makes it MUCH worse–in terms of PR. It gets people’s attention.
So then why is it legal to trophy hunt??
Lots of stupid and immoral things are legal.
Yes. Hornets, wasps, and flies are not endangered species, unlike lions and other large mammals like elephants, rhinos, tigers, etc. And like it or not, people have always felt more of an affinity to furry mammals with big eyes than they have to insects. Especially big cats, given their majestic presence as well as their undeniable behavioral resemblance to domestic cats.
Whoever posted about killing hornets, wasps, flies and add please those destructive catpenter bees, please come to my house!
For many people big game hunting - while legal - is repellent. At one point it was an activity that signaled privilege and manliness. Now it’s simply seen as a wanton destruction of endangered wildlife.
Let’s not equate this with fishing or the killing of animals for food. This is sport, an entertainment, a glorification of violence and power over an animal, and more and more people are coming around to seeing it that way. Bears used to be chained and paraded in front of circus goers, too – once. No more, for the same reason.
BTW, this dentist isn’t the only guy paying the price for his “micropenile compensation” (as one of the Yelp ‘reviewers’ put it.) The king of Spain stepped down from the throne last year due in part to widespread outrage in Europe over his killing of elephants while on safari.
One has to really give this particular “hunter” more than the usual benefit of doubt to give credence to his claim of innocence. He killed a bear illegally and lied to cover up. He now “takes” a well known lion from a preserve and offers a flimsy excuse of ignorance. Baloney. If anything his cover story of bribed hunting guides should garner him more punishment. U.S. should not contest extradition.