Another shooting and protest

I took it to mean he would be bored so he would be looking at something to keep him active. But I don’t know the guy, so who knows.

There is a way to do this with Google home also on your phone. It’s with many macro steps. I didn’t do it but it’s available.

Regarding the supposed rarity of police killing unarmed people compared to the numbers of police who are shot.

This does not match the numbers as told by the police themselves.

In 2018, 48 police officers were feloniously killed in line of duty. In 2018, police officers killed 41 unarmed people.

In the same period, police killed over 1000 civilians, or about 21 civilians killed by a police officer for each police officer killed by a civilian.

According to police reports, in 2018, police were shot at 2,116 times, wounded 129 times, and killed 48 times.

According to a study by Vice (https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/xwvv3a/shot-by-cops), for 35 different police districts, for every person shot and killed, two are shot and either wounded or the shot missed.

So in 2018, police likely shot at a civilian at least 3,000 times.

That would indicate that a police officer is more likely to shoot at a civilian than to be shot at by a civilian. A police officer is just as likely to kill an unarmed civilian than to be killed by a civilian.

As for other forms of violence:

In 2015, 985,300 people in police-initiated contact experienced use of force by police. Of the people in police-initiated contact, about 210,000 were hit, slapped, punched, etc, and about 60,000 were assaulted with a weapon. During the same period, 50,000 officers reported being assaulted by civilians. Of these, 11,000 were assault with weapons.

In 2015, 201,100 Black people in police-initiated contact experienced use of force. The FBI reported that, in the 70 cases of assault with weapons in which race was reported, 40% were by Black people. Assuming that we can figure out anything at all from such a tiny sample, at most that would point to 20,000 assaults by Black people, and of these, perhaps 4,400 with weapons. On the other hand, 202,000 Black people had force used on them by police, and of those, in at least about 7,700 cases, weapons were used, and, in about 27,000 were actually punched or otherwise hit. in these encounters, 307 black people were killed.

So, in any given interaction, a police officer is more likely to initiate a violent encounter, more likely to use a weapon, more likely to shoot than to be shot at, and 20 times more likely to kill than to be killed.

Moreover, in 2015, had contact with people about 53,000,000 times. Police were assaulted 50,000 times, and injured about 14,800 times. So police are attacked in 0.028% of their interactions with the public, and injured in 0.0067% of the interactions.

The chances of a police officer of being assaulted in 2015 was 1 in 10, and the chance of a police officer on being injured was about 2.8%. Over the same period, the chance that a police officer would hit, or use a weapon in a non-lethal manner, was 42%, and the chance that an officer would use a weapon in a nonlethal manner was 12%, so more than one in ten.

These are the police reports themselves, not stories told by suspects. The police reported that their officers were attacked 50,000 times in 2015, and they reported that their officers hit, tased, or shocked civilians 270,000 times.

Based on their own admissions, police hit, tased, or shocked people who were not behaving violently towards the police at least 220,000 times in 2015.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp15.pdf

https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2015

@MWolf If Mr. Brooks didn’t resist he would have been handcuffed and arrested for a misdemeanor, and would still be alive, since your data suggests that less than 50 unarmed people are killed annually out of roughly 50,000,000 interactions with police(.0001%)

My suggestion is keeping hands o the wheel not scrambling around for license and registration until the LEO asks for them. Best to not risk putting the officer on edge with unnecessary movements before he/sho approaches your vehicle.

How to reduce risk to yourself

Stop the car in a safe place as quickly as possible.

Turn off the car, turn on the internal light, open the window part way, and place your hands on the wheel.

If you’re in the passenger seat, put your hands on the dashboard.

Upon request, show police your driver’s license, registration, and proof of insurance.

Avoid making sudden movements, and keep your hands where the officer can see them.

https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/stopped-by-police/

Please Read the link I posted in post #211. https://www.ajc.com/news/crime–law/rayshard-brooks-final-minutes/qoSjbkqLxNQiuMe97019nJ/ He was on probation through 2026, had previously “run afoul of the conditions of probation”, and had also spent a year behind bars. Another arrest would have sent him back to jail.

@doschicos Good point, I agree.

Another shooting amid a protest. In the CHOP autonomous zone taken over in Seattle. A 19 year old AA male was killed and a second man in critical condition. Police were confronted and blocked from the scene. It’s not the right approach we are taking with this whole matter.

A statue of Ulysses S Grant was torn down. It’s a mess and people don’t know the difference between grant and lee shouldn’t be in charge of anything. He was a leader in the post war period for civil rights. Good lord.

This is false. Where did your 270,000 number come from? If it came from the BJS link, it does NOT reflect what the police reported. The BJS link is based on a survey of the population, NOT police reported use of force.

Yes, put your hands where they can be seen ( on the steering wheel) and if you use a a car key, (many don’t anymore, these days) put it on the dash. But I still plan to look into that app for m phone that will automatically record any police stop, Sounds like a good idea.

When asked for license and insurance, it’s also a good idea to tell the cop where they are, and ask for permission to reach out and get them. There’s been a couple cases of police shooting people after asking them for their license.

Many police cars have computers in them that the minute they put in your license plate # it pulls up the insurance and registration info. So they may not need to ask for that any more.

This in no way justifies resisting arrest.

Spending time in prison translates to still being alive.

If people of any sub-group(related to race, politics, religion, gender identity, sexual preference or immigration status) fear for their lives when approached by a police officer, why not simply, and peacefully comply? Both parties to an arrest have a vested interest in de-escalating the situation.

Mr. Brooks had a reasonable right to be afraid.

Interestingly, body camera video shows Mr. Brooks interacting with police in a very calm, courteous and compliant manner…until they tried to handcuff him.

That flicked a very dangerous switch.

He was inches from being handcuffed and mere minutes from sitting relatively comfortably in the back of an air conditioned police car, very much alive.

If you have a reasonable fear of being killed on the ground by a police officer(Eric Garner & George Floyd), why resist when you know it ends with you, and the police, on the ground.

If you have a reasonable fear of being killed while struggling with the police(Michael Brown), why commit aggravated battery on two police officers?

If you have a reasonable fear of being killed by the police as you flee to avoid arrest(Walter Scott & Antwon Rose II) why run?

Mr. Brooks shouldn’t be dead.

Mr. Rolfe shouldn’t have shot him.

Mr. Brooks made multiple terrible choices that precipitated the ultimate terrible choice by Mr. Rolfe.

From the NYT: “
In his news conference announcing the criminal charges against the officers, Mr. Howard said they had violated the Police Department’s policy because Mr. Brooks “was never informed he was under arrest for driving under the influence.”

Verbally notifying people that they are about to be arrested accomplishes multiple goals, experts say. It is a way to show respect and courtesy, which increases public confidence in the police. And it is also tactical — it helps slow the interaction down to eliminate surprises.

When people are not told what to expect — particularly intoxicated people — they can react in ways that an officer might misinterpret as resisting, when in fact the person is simply startled.

“In many situations, officers should tell someone what is happening because you don’t want the person to react in surprise and the officers to take that surprise as resistance,” Professor Stoughton said.”

Brooks didn’t make good decisions. He was intoxicated. The police didn’t make good decisions either. And he is dead.

Is an Atlanta police officer required to announce what the suspect is being charged with prior to handcuffing the suspect?

Aren’t police officers allowed to “detain” suspects in handcuffs while conducting an investigation to ensure officer safety?

Certainly an officer needs to Mirandize a suspect when they are being arrested. Are they duty bound to announce the charges prior to recitation of the suspect’s Miranda rights?

Moderator Note: This thread has run its course and was becoming too argumentative. Several posts deleted. Closing.