Another shooting and protest

[camathmom]

The second amendment does not preclude gun control, just as the first amendment does not preclude limitations on speech and assembly.

[Leigh22]

The point is stop talking about gun control or the thread will be closed.

[sorghum]

@GKUnion

I have a good friend that is a State Police Officer. He’s a very nice, laid back person. He has sixteen years on the job and currently works in a division that exposes him to minimal dangerous interactions with the general public.

Last night I asked him what he thought about the widespread disdain for law enforcement that dominates both social and traditional media

Did he ever report or testify against criminal conduct by another cop? Did he ever lie to protect another cop?

[Lindagaf]

Moderator note: Please stick to the topic and avoid arguing about the 2nd amendment.

[dietz199]

Did he ever report or testify against criminal conduct by another cop? Did he ever lie to protect another cop?

The assumption, of course, being this officer observed criminal conduct by another officer or behavior that would cause him to lie about another officer.

Why would you assume either of those situations occurred?

[roycroftmom]

Agreed, dietz199. Did you ever commit a felony, @sorghum? Or a crime of moral turpitude? I hope not. Why on earth would you assume that of others?

[ucbalumnus]

@GKUnion

I have a good friend that is a State Police Officer.

Last night I asked him what he thought about the widespread disdain for law enforcement that dominates both social and traditional media.

He told me last week he consulted the payroll department and determined the additional amount of each paycheck that would need to be diverted to his pension to allow him to retire four years earlier. He called it “buying back time.”. He’s done.

This may be one of the insidious ways that a few bad apples can ruin the entire bunch. The bad apples destroy the trust between police and citizens, making the job more difficult and less satisfying for the good officers, driving the good officers out of the profession.

[twoinanddone]

I think it is difficult to attract new cops who will also be good cops.

My daughter’s boyfriend considered it and even applied. He has a college degree and is pretty smart. He tried out but didn’t pass the running test. He’s really tall (6’6") and has enormous feet. He didn’t prepare for the run test at all and it was at 7000 feet and he smokes. I don’t think he wanted it that much or he could have done it. He then decided to join the army (was accepted and is now on hold for covid).

A friend is chief of police in a Denver suburb. He’d hire the boyfriend in a second because they are desperate for new recruits who have college degrees.

[jym626]

@GKUnion

I have a good friend that is a State Police Officer. He’s a very nice, laid back person. He has sixteen years on the job and currently works in a division that exposes him to minimal dangerous interactions with the general public.

Last night I asked him what he thought about the widespread disdain for law enforcement that dominates both social and traditional media.

He told me last week he consulted the payroll department and determined the additional amount of each paycheck that would need to be diverted to his pension to allow him to retire four years earlier. He called it “buying back time.”. He’s done. He makes very good money and has no blemishes on his record. He simply wants out because of the current climate. His plan now is to retire in 2025, at 51 years old, with a full military pension and State Police pension. He said he’ll probably just work at Lowe’s or Home Depot after the State Police.

So he has 20 good years and will get his miltary pension at 65 (or did he have 20 years of active duty and gets his pension now?) and how many years will he have/need to then also get a full State Police pension?

Back to an earlier comment, people have and/or wear safety/protective gear commensurate with their line of work. Healthcare workers in hospitals and research labs wear PPEs. Pilots have parachutes, boaters have flotation devices. Construction workers wear hard hats, earplugs, etc, firemen/women wear oxygen tanks and fire resistend gear, and racecar drivers wear helmets and fire resistent gear. Different jobs have different levels of risk. Police are issued bulletproof vests. Some wear them, some don’t.

[jym626]

As an aside, there is supposed to be a way to set up, in the shortcuts ap on an iphone, an way, by saying “hey siri I am getting pulled over”, to have it darken the phone screen , turn down the music and start the video camera. I tried to set it up but I am am not getting it to work. Has anyone done it?

[sorghum]

I assume it is highly likely that a cop after 16 years has seen a crime committed by another cop. My point is a lot of cops look and act like good guys, but they won’t turn against another cop. Until that culture is broken, they won’t get respect.

[GKUnion]

@jym626

So he has 20 good years and will get his miltary pension at 65 (or did he have 20 years of active duty and gets his pension now?) and how many years will he have/need to then also get a full State Police pension?

I honestly don’t know the particulars. He went into the military right out of high school so he had at least a decade of active duty under his belt before he joined the State Police. He finished his 20 years in the reserves. He said he needs 25 years with the State Police to get his pension.

[GKUnion]

@jym626

As an aside, there is supposed to be a way to set up, in the shortcuts ap on an iphone, an way, by saying “hey siri I am getting pulled over”, to have it darken the phone screen , turn down the music and start the video camera. I tried to set it up but I am am not getting it to work. Has anyone done it?

I’d suggest turning the music down manually, rolling down all the windows, turning on the interior lighting of your car, putting your license and registration on your dash, then placing both hands on the steering wheel.

[anomander]

@jym626

As an aside, there is supposed to be a way to set up, in the shortcuts ap on an iphone, an way, by saying “hey siri I am getting pulled over”, to have it darken the phone screen , turn down the music and start the video camera. I tried to set it up but I am am not getting it to work. Has anyone done it?

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/apps/a32892510/siri-pulled-over-police-recording-shortcut/
How to Download
The iOS shortcut is separate from the native Siri app, so you should first install the Shortcuts iOS app. This is a new functionality for devices running iOS 12 or later, so make sure your software is up to date.
Next, download the I’m Getting Pulled Over shortcut.
Go to Settings > Shortcuts > and switch Allow Untrusted Shortcuts to On.
In the Shortcuts app, go to Gallery and scroll down until you see the I’m Getting Pulled Over shortcut.
Tap Add Untrusted Shortcut.
Select your emergency contact and then tap Done.

[Leigh22]

@sorghum talk about making a lot of assumptions.
And the police do get respect from the majority of citizens.

[GKUnion]

I assume it is highly likely that a [insert your minority population of choice] after 16 years has seen a crime committed by another [insert your minority population of choice]. My point is a lot of [insert your minority population of choice] look and act like good guys, but they won’t turn against another [insert your minority population of choice]. Until that culture is broken, they won’t get respect.

Hmmm…

[ucbalumnus]

@Leigh22

And the police do get respect from the majority of citizens.

Recent surveys indicate that the general public’s respect of the police is not unconditional, and that there is room for improvement in many police departments.

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/documents/monmouthpoll_us_060220.pdf/ has these questions:

B2. Have you or an immediate family member ever felt that you were being harassed by the police, or has this not happened?
28% yes, 72% no (all)
24% yes, 76% no (white)
44% yes, 56% no (black)

B3. Have you or an immediate family member ever had an experience where a police officer helped keep you safe in a potentially dangerous situation, or has this not happened?
31% yes, 69% no (all)
33% yes, 67% no (white)
41% yes, 59% no (black)

Although the “yes” answers were roughly similar for both questions, note that people’s negativity bias may mean that people remember B2 incidents more than B3 incidents. Also B3 incidents are what one expects from police doing their job properly, while B2 incidents are what one would see as police not doing their job properly.

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/lmp5wnyq44/20200611_yahoo_race_police_covid_toplines.pdf has these questions:

1. Which comes closest to your view? 17% Police departments don’t need to be reformed 54% Police departments have a problem with race, but the problem can be fixed by reforming the existing system 24% Police reform hasn’t worked. We need to defund police and reinvent our approach to public safety
2. Would you favor or oppose gradually redirecting police funding toward increasing the number of social workers, drug counselors and mental health experts responsible for responding to non-violent emergencies? 49% Favor 30% Oppose 21% Not sure
3. Do you think blacks and whites receive equal treatment from the police? 23% Yes 64% No 13% Not sure
4. When you personally see a police officer, does it usually make you feel more or less secure? 34% More secure 41% No effect 23% Less secure
5. Have you personally ever been treated unfairly by a police officer? 31% Yes 69% No
6. Do you think the police are usually held accountable for any misconduct? 25% Yes 55% No 19% Not sure

[jym626]

@GKUnion

@jym626

As an aside, there is supposed to be a way to set up, in the shortcuts ap on an iphone, an way, by saying “hey siri I am getting pulled over”, to have it darken the phone screen , turn down the music and start the video camera. I tried to set it up but I am am not getting it to work. Has anyone done it?

I’d suggest turning the music down manually, rolling down all the windows, turning on the interior lighting of your car, putting your license and registration on your dash, then placing both hands on the steering wheel.

The key component is the camera/video and audio turning itself on.

[jym626]

@GKUnion

@jym626

So he has 20 good years and will get his miltary pension at 65 (or did he have 20 years of active duty and gets his pension now?) and how many years will he have/need to then also get a full State Police pension?

I honestly don’t know the particulars. He went into the military right out of high school so he had at least a decade of active duty under his belt before he joined the State Police. He finished his 20 years in the reserves. He said he needs 25 years with the State Police to get his pension.

If he has 20 good years (active duty and reserves) he would qualify to start to collect his military pension at 60.

[GKUnion]

@jym626

If he has 20 good years (active duty and reserves) he would qualify to start to collect his military pension at 60.

He made it sound like he’d still have to work, which explains him mentioning working at Lowe’s or Home Depot.