Anti-Gay-Marriage Leader Resigns

<p>I think I’ve figured out what’s going on here - apparently all the Republican implants have roughly the same expiration date and what we’re seeing is just a massive need for ‘retooling’. Maybe next time they’ll think about staggering (of a different sort.) That, or there was a magnetic anomoly that caused them all to melt at about the same time. </p>

<p>In all of this (with so much that’s so hard to believe) I can’t believe that a guy with Haggard’s teeth doesn’t know about meth mouth. </p>

<p>I do hope we all learn from this - I feel sorry for H’s wife and children, for the people he deceived.</p>

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<p>Ha ha. ROTFLMHO!!!</p>

<p>You got to hand it to cc’ers. HYSTERICALLY funny.</p>
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<p>CalMom, getting a “massage” isn’t the same as "having sex.</p>

<p>Thank you, Bill Clinton. (Hey, our side can take its relatively mild shots too. I’d still take Big Dog as our leader over BushCo in a minute.)</p>

<p>okay, just flashing back to, bakker, swaggert, lyons, there are so many more,</p>

<p>I was worried about this guy being gay, but when I found it that it’s possible he only bought meth, I felt so much better.</p>

<p>This guy helped create the atmosphere where even the allegation of engaging in gay sex is enough to ruin you and your family’s lives. He spun his own web.</p>

<p>I would have preferred he just say " AM GAY, and i was wrong to bash gays"…</p>

<p>love those family values guys, sex, drugs, aldutery, and spouting the bible to boot</p>

<p>This guy never said something hypocritcal. So far as we know he didnt get a gay marriage, he ddint engage in sodomy. This guy is a good example of a gay person who does not support gay marriage.</p>

<p>ohkay, he talked about gays and the bible…it was beyond his personal life, and how in the world do you know he didn’t engage in sodomy, straight people engage in sodomy…imagine that…where you in his bedroom with him and his wife?</p>

<p>ps he already lied about several things, and had to tellt he truth when the tapes of phones message came out…so if nothing else he is a iar…</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.afa.net/fordletter.asp[/url]”>http://www.afa.net/fordletter.asp&lt;/a&gt; (um, more than just marrige for gays is our Haggard against)</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.therevealer.org/archives/main_story_001945.php[/url]”>http://www.therevealer.org/archives/main_story_001945.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>interesting Harper’s article…don’t ask about “Control”- ew…or the bleeding hands…or seeing demons all over the place</p>

<p>“This guy never said something hypocritcal. So far as we know he didnt get a gay marriage, he ddint engage in sodomy”</p>

<p>Goalandi, ever heard of a happy ending? :slight_smile: </p>

<p>How on earth can you be so up in arms over Kerry’s remarks, filled with outrage and blow this off (sorry about the pun) as no big deal? At least be consistent with your outrage, when conservatives do stupid things it should bother you too. </p>

<p>Chances are pretty good, if he’s buying meth and getting a rub down from a gay male prositute he’s violated some commandments for sure. :slight_smile: </p>

<p>Of course he bought meth but he didn’t “inhale” remember that one? Bill C was full of crap then. </p>

<p>See the difference between me and you? I can see when both sides step in poo. You can’t. No matter whose shoe it’s on it still stinks.</p>

<p>I have no connection to this guy whatsoever. I am not a christian, I really dont care about him. I am just taking what happened at face value. A religious man who advised against drug use, which noone can argue is a bad things, bought meth. Thats not good, but how many do you think turned away drugs because of him? I would say alot. I also a gay man who is against gay marriage. Thats all.</p>

<p><a href=“Just a massage, pastor says”>Just a massage, pastor says;

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<p>I don’t know hotels these days refer people to “massage therapists/escorts” that advertise with shirtless pictures on gay magazines. ;)</p>

<p>His wife was no good at giving neck-rubs?</p>

<p>In the video clip of a reporter questioning Haggerd in his car with his wife in the passenger seat, I truly felt sorry for his wife, not only due to the whole revelation and ordeal but to have to appear on TV with that kind of questioning literally right in her face with the mic. It was for him to deal with publicly and she happened to be right there in the car. She kept a straight face, and I give her credit, as I don’t know if I could.</p>

<p>Tammy Wynette’s “Stand by your Man” takes on a whole new meaning in situations such as this.</p>

<p>And people scoffed at, or derided, Hillary.</p>

<p>I think standing by your spouse in the face of very public humiliation is very much easier said than done.</p>

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She is his wife. She signed on for better or for worse. Personally, I’d do exactly the same were my wife found unfaithful and/or caught in some sort of tough spot. I defended Hillary when she did it, and always thought it the way it should be.</p>

<p>I don’t know who this Haggard guy is, but just because his beliefs are that homosexuality is wrong doesn’t mean he is mean and deserves to be made fun of. There are valid arguments, religious and philosophical, for his view. Some of us may not accept the arguments, but I can certainly see how many people do. I don’t necessarily see hypocrisy here because to be honest about it, I myself think many things are wrong but that I have done and failed to tell anyone about. Thank God they have been only minor things, but since they were wrong and I did them, I really am not in a position to judge them as minor. So, in principle, I’ve done exactly what this guy has done. I just didn’t get caught. But had I been caught, I would still think the things are wrong.</p>

<p>Maybe I am just a hypocrite and should be dismissed as such. But I know for a fact that it is not as simple as that. We all know right from wrong and yet we all struggle to avoid the wrong and follow the right. This guy is no different. As a parent, despite my own weaknesses, I gotta keep teaching the right, even if I have not always done it. I can’t just use my failures to claim what I think is wrong is suddenly right. What I can do is use knowledge of my private weakness to help me understand when others, especially my kids, fail to follow what I have taught them. A genuine hypocrite would just scorn those who have failed, rather than show them compassion. He would be insensitive and judgmental, despite that he himself has failed similarly in private. I don’t see this sort of thing in this man. Like Bill Clinton, he is perhaps lying even now, mostly to protect his wife and children as much as he can. I know it is wrong, but I also know I am easily capable of doing the same thing. So I for one can’t laugh or make fun here. I do not see any sort of poetic justice or anything juicy. I see a guy who believes something is wrong and ugly, who is apparently lured into that very thing. There is nothing fun to report, and no change in anyone’s moral position should take place. </p>

<p>Should I fall in the future, it still would not mean the things I think are wrong are in fact right. It would still not mean that I had no business claiming those things wrong. We all have secrets. We all have struggles. Our secrets and struggles ought to cause us to have compassion on this guy and his family, even as we disagree with his views. No need for cynicism and mockery. And there is no place for so much rejoicing either. That guy woke up this morning to sheer hell, having to face his five kids and loyal wife, all suffering for his having made so dreadful an error. I am not saying they should not suffer. They certainly should. I am saying I don’t think any of us are really that much better than they are, and that maybe before laughing and rejoicing we ought to keep that in mind.</p>

<p>"myself think many things are wrong but that I have done and failed to tell anyone about. "</p>

<p>I agree with pretty much all that you said - that we should not judge others because all of us fail at times.</p>

<p>I think the difference here is that this man WAS judging others. He was a very outspoken leader against the very thing that he was allegedly doing himself. He should extend the same grace, understanding, and compassion to others who have done the things he’s done, rather than condemning them when he knows he has done the same.</p>

<p>It’s like Rush Limbaugh. I would never begrudge him for having a drug problem. But to criticize others for the very thing he has a weakness for himself…that is the issue.</p>

<p>i am trying to figure out why any one with any kind of a brain would even consider meth…and why buy it more than once if you were just throwing it away</p>

<p>it is the judging of others and making momey while one is at it that is wrong</p>

<p>to me, having a pastor that sees evil spirits flying over the beds of babies in hospitals trying to make the babies evil is creepy, and seeing evil spirits or whatever in everyday life, not as symbolism, but as realy entities, well, eww</p>

<p>And this drug-addled individual had what for a private citizen was almost unparalleled access to, and presumably influence with, the White House.</p>