<p>My D will graduate with a bachelors in psychology and a masters in elementary education and wants desperately to live and teach in New York City. Does she have a chance? Should she apply early? Public, private, charter schools easier?</p>
<p>Any help or suggestions are really appreciated.</p>
<p>This link could help:</p>
<p>[Teachers</a> - Careers in NYC Schools - New York City Department of Education](<a href=“http://schools.nyc.gov/Careers/Teachers/default.htm]Teachers”>http://schools.nyc.gov/Careers/Teachers/default.htm)</p>
<p>Remember that to teach in NYC, you are talking about teaching in any of the 5 boroughs. If you are only talking about teaching in Manhattan’ prime neighborhoods, your D will probably have a much harder time.</p>
<p>My understanding is that the city had a hiring freeze this past year, but I don’t know if that is still in place or what the situation will be for next year.</p>
<p>The option of working in a private school either secular or religious exists, too. In general those positions pay less and you do not become part of the NY state pension plan.</p>
<p>There are very few charter schools.</p>
<p>Living in Manhattan and doing a reverse commute to the surrounding suburbs is also an option.</p>
<p>The hiring freeze is still in place and, frankly, there are no elementary school teaching jobs. There are thousands of “excessed” teachers still on the payroll with no jobs. Under the Chancellor’s Regulations, they have to be hired before newbies.</p>
<p>The suburbs aren’t hiring either, unfortunately, unless you’re certified to teach high school math, science, or special ed.</p>
<p>There are, however, many jobs for school psychologists.</p>
<p>She should look at boarding schools! They give you a place to live :)</p>
<p>I wonder how much longer the freeze will be in effect.</p>
<p>do you know of any boarding schools in new york city? do they exist?</p>
<p>The outlook for public education jobs for the near future is probably fairly grim. For one, the economy has sank education budgets and even when the recovery is in full force, it may take government budgets a couple of years to recover.</p>
<p>Perhaps more significant though is that teaching has been (at least for the last decade or so) an employment area with tremendous turnover. So, jobs were available. But now, very few are quitting because there are no other jobs and even those that were considering retiring are delaying because they lost so much in their investments. </p>
<p>I also think that the number of students is leveling off (in many places decreasing) so even without the other factors, there may be less demand for teachers.</p>
<p>While she may want to live in NYC, she may need to spread her wings far and wide and see what she can land.</p>
<p>My D is so puzzled and upset because when she chose education as her career she was told that jobs would be plentiful and that mnay teachers were scheduled to retire in the next 4-6 years</p>
<p>I heard a speaker yesterday that said that the changes in the last 12 to 24 months in the job market for teachers have been very dramatic. While certain parts of the country, the midwest and parts of the Northeast have not seen much (any?) increase in the number of teachers hired in the last decade, the rest of the country (especially the southeast and southwest) have seen an explosion in the number of school age children and thus a need for more teachers. (Many of these same states had decreased class size significantly as well, adding to the need for teachers.)</p>
<p>And your daughter was told correctly – there should have been lots of teachers retiring, but many have delayed doing so. In addition, many states have increased class size in light of recent budget expenditures. At my child’s elementary school, if last year’s class sizes were still in effect, there would be at least three more teachers this year than we have right now.</p>
<p>When I was graduating college, my friends and I might have had places we wanted to live, but we realized that we had to follow the jobs. She might have to do so as well. I don’t know where she grew up but sometimes those contacts (ie former principals, teachers, etc) can be invaluable in landing that first teaching job or at least a substitute position.</p>
<p>The free is stilll in effect to the point that you cannot even get a substitute teachers license in NYC. As others have stated there are still thousands of excessed teachers who are not assigned to schools (main reason for the hiring freeze). Since the contract expired last may, the city and the state are making cuts, there may not be any major moves, retirements until there is a new contract in place. By the other side of the coin, something has gotta give, because the freeze will affect enrollments in teaching programs both at the grad and undergrad level because students will not be enrolling if they feel they cannot get a job.</p>
<p>However, there are proposals out now for new schools so I would tell your daughter to keep checking, talk to every and anybody she knows who works for for the DOE, because they can give her insight as to what is happening in their schools. At the end of the day, principals make the hiring decisions and sometimes it is beneficial to be at the right place at the right time.</p>
<p>Because there is an over abundance of common branch (elementary ed) teachers, I would recommend that your daughter get either a bi-lingual or special education extension to her license because these are two shortage areas where she may be able to get a position.</p>
<p>Over the last three years NYC has spent nearly a quarter-billion dollars paying teachers to do nothing. They are literally paid to sit in a room and do crossword puzzles all day long. </p>
<p>There are no teaching positions for them, but due to Union contracts it’s nearly impossible to get rid of them. Until that situation gets sorted out I don’t think they will be hiring many new teachers in NYC (for the public schools at least).</p>
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<p>This is not totally true. It is not to say that there are teachers sitting in the rubber room and the DOE could do a better job of resolving these cases. It does not mean that principals could not do a better job when it comes to corrective action/performance improvement for teachers who are not doing there jobs, getting a string of U ratings and still managing to be employed. Yes, it is the fault of a lazy administrations that ineffective teachers are still working.</p>
<p>The largest population of teachers getting paid to “do nothing” are excessed teachers. There are many teachers who are excessed and cannot get jobs because principals do not want to take the hit to their budget hiring someone with a lot of seniority who also comes with a big salary hit (excessing takes place by seniority in license area. For example; last year at my high school, 2 bi-lingual gcs were excessed, both making over 100k as the principal did away with the line). They are working as excessed gc’s at the same school, still doing the same function but the principal is not paying their salary. Why keep a GC making over 100k when you can get 2 new ones or almost 3 new teachers for the same price? Our contracts forbids forced placement, meaning that you cannot simply place a person anywhere (for example if you live in far rockaway, work for the queens superintendency, they cannot make you take a postion on the bronx/westchester boarder just because there happens to be an opening there. Mayor Mike is proposing that teachers could remain in ATR for 1 year and if they do not find another position, they will lose their jobs. However, this does not solve the issue when principals have the final say and are responsible for thier budgets. Many will just not take the financial hit.</p>
<p>In this case, the teacher/gc has a right to remain in the manhattan high school superintendency does not have to take a job outside of the manhattan high school superintendency. </p>
<p>Even if they are picked up by another school and that principal gets them for half price, with the DOE payinf the other half of the salary for 8 years, no one has addressed what happens after year 8 when schools are hit with these balloon salaries to their budgets (almost reminds you of adjustable rate mortgages).</p>
<p>Back on topic…</p>
<p>If Op’s daughter wants to try to obtain a position, she should make sure that she has her license on the off chance that something does open up. She should see who handles licensing and credentialing at her school and she should start the process through the teach system. </p>
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<p>This means getting her finger printing done, and filing the necessary paperwork. She should have her college submit her paperwork for licensing as the process will go faster than if she tries to do all of this on her own.</p>
<p>Also, she could get on lists to substitute teach. That could be a great way to get a foot in the door, especially in private schools. In fact, private schools often do not have hiring freezes, and although the salary is lower, it might be a bit easier to get a job in a private school at this point. Check out the listings in the New York Times Week in Review on Sundays, check private schools’ web sites, and Google “substitute teaching in New York City.” Per diem is pretty good.</p>
<p>“do you know of any boarding schools in new york city? do they exist?”</p>
<p>You might want to look at [Boarding</a> School Review - College-Prep & Jr. Boarding Schools](<a href=“http://www.boardingschoolreview.com/]Boarding”>http://www.boardingschoolreview.com/), which allows you to sort by location.</p>
<p>There are no boarding schools in NYC, but there are some fairly close.</p>
<p>I graduated from Brandeis as a certified history teacher and I also met requirements to teach in my home state of New York. When I was in college, I also thought I was being prudent by going into education. It is not true in the northeast anymore. The common perception is that any licensed teacher can easily get a job especially in less desirable areas. The reality is very different. School district budgets are falling and we haven’t seen the worse of it yet because the stimulus dollars made up for shortfalls this year only. Governor Paterson is proposing to cut school aid even more. If I wanted a job right now, I would move to the Southwest or someplace else but I like New York so I’m waiting it out. I’m on 11 sub lists and I’m tutoring in the evening. I’m also going to start grad school in January since I was certified as an undergrad.</p>
<p>Some Jewish private day schools and yeshivas hire nonJewish teachers for their secular subjects. Some need state-accredited secular teachers to maintain their approved status in the secular subjects, so in that way she’d be attractive to them. </p>
<p>At the elementary level, this could mean just a half-day of work, but if you can teach at two different schools with upside-down schedules (for Hebrew and secular) you might patch together a full day. They do not pay as well as public schools. </p>
<p>They do not expect secular-subjects teachers to be knowledgable in Judaica, but to blend socially, for example: develop rudimentary knowledge of the names of Jewish holidays (for scheduling); refrain from eating bag-lunches with nonkosher food items like ham, crabcakes etc. Some might require modest clothing and if someone already has piercings, not to wear face-jewelry to school – other than earrings.</p>
<p>Her selling point to such schools would be that she brings the newest training in how to teach children to read/write, along with the newer math approaches using manipulatives/hands-on.</p>