<p>“ANd why would they stop? Getting a constitution won’t do it…”</p>
<p>Sad, but Oh so very true, Citygirlsmom. We are doomed to fail at attempting to unify such a fractious political landscape.</p>
<p>Throw in some different Islamic traditions, old wounds, very different goals and we have a never ending war…whether we are still there or not…</p>
<p>Much of the Middle East meets that description. The one thing that unifies the many political factions and ethnic groups is a belief in America (and Isreal) as the common enemy. If they didn’t have this in common, what would be the chance of them agreeing on much of anything?</p>
<p>“But we went to war for WMD… or did he lie to us then? The other reasons- freedom, democracy were afterthoughts. I am not stupid nor simplistic, I am just not a member of the Cult of Bush, who is omnipotent”</p>
<p>First off as I said earlier, I don’t even like president Bush. I don’t think he was one of our better presidents. Second, please show me how he “lied.” We went to war for several reasons. Never once was WMDs the only reason. I’d like to see some facts to back up all your claims that Bush “lied.” Opinion pieces don’t count. Hard news with statistics and quotes count.</p>
<p>I guess nothing will ever be good enough for those that think Bush went to war for all the right reasons and told us the truth at all times</p>
<p>Read what Powell has said, he is angry…</p>
<p>It will be good enough when I am presented with statistics and factual information proving to me Bush lied. If he did lie, I would have no problem accepting it, seeing as how I disagree with about half his policies anyway.</p>
<p>Definition of lie:A false statement deliberately presented as being true</p>
<p>If I see some evidence that Bush did just that, I will fully support it.</p>
<p>“Read what Powell has said, he is angry…”</p>
<p>I read what Powell said, and he admits to saying things he didn’t believe - and knew in advance was not based on “firm and incontrovertible evidence” on behalf of the Administration. In short, he admits to lying, which he had done 10 years earlier with the SCUDS. But as for Bush, I doubt he has the capacity - I wish he did, because what’s a few good lies between a leader and his country?</p>
<p>Devil you clearly didn’t read any of the posts I presented earlier…you excuse Bush’s lie about the weapons of mass destruction inspite of the testimony that shows he was looking for a reason to attack and that he dismissed arguments against attacking, from our experts and from friendly nations. You also excuse him from the responsibility of the lies told by others under him…how we would be welcomed in the streets…the trumped up rescue of a female soldier…the existance of an exit strategy…</p>
<p>Do you really believe he has been a uniter not a divider…or do you deny that this was an election speech in 2000. Do you deny that he said he would cut the pork barrel spending, that he would create a commission and veto wasteful spending to do so? or do you think he did all of these things?
Here are details from the most recent transportation projects</p>
<p>1982 10 special projects (pork)inserted into the transportation bill
152 in 1987,
538 in 1991
1,850 in 1998
6,371 in 2008 and still no veto</p>
<p>What kind of projects didn’t he veto, you ask!
In Alaska, home state to the House Transportation Chair
we are going to spend $223 million for a mile-long bridge linking an island with 50 residents to the town of Ketchikan on the mainland. (couldn’t we have just given each of them a $100,000 yacht and a second car on the main land) Another $231 million is earmarked for a new bridge in Anchorage, to be named – this is specified in the legislation – Don Young’s Way (Can you guess the Congressman’s name?) ''The Transportation Equity Act – a Legacy for Users," or TEA-LU. (Congressman Youngs wife is named Lu)</p>
<p>We expect transportation bills to help build bridges…did you know it also looks at other non-gas guzzelling forms of transportation that is why it was so important to fund</p>
<p>Horse riding facilities in Virginia ($600,000).</p>
<p>The Democrats got some of the action and are not without shame here…but this is about a President who promised to use fiscal restrant and then broke the bank.</p>
<p>So that is all the president’s fault? If you want to blame anyone, blame Senate, they approved it. Do I agree with those, no. But blaming everything on the president and saying he “lied” which no one has proven yet, is not the answer. People now love to see America fail just so they can increase their Bush bashing and try to say they were right. Maybe if people put their efforts into more of a positive, things would be going better.</p>
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Testimony? What testimony? The only testimony that I have seen on this is the exact opposite - that Bush focused on Afghanistan. Show us the “testimony” that proves your point that Bush lied.</p>
<p>Are you folks ever concerned that you might be taking years off of your life due to the stress created from your hatred of all things Bush? I don’t know how some of you get up in the morning knowing that George Bush is still our President. You must feel like Bill Murray in “Groundhog Day”.</p>
<p>I for one am not better off under Bush, my mother’s prescriptions are sky high, gas prices are going up, we DO have global warming, we are in an unending war, schools are not getting better, peoples children are dying, there is war profiteering going one, people are out of work, and the jobs that are created are not what is needed, Bush is rolling back envvironmental laws, doesn’t want Gay rights, brings in people for important jobs that think torture is okay, bully CIA people, roll back women’s rights, bring in his religion into government, have people that at the very least are ethically questionable, and is absolutely cluesless as to what is happening to seniors, teachers, the police, cities, the working people, small farmers, women, children…He is arrogrant, doesn’t read, doesn’t care to really talk to the people that disagree with him, has town hall meetings that are pretty staged, and wanted to go to war with Iraq no matter what it took. ANd to know associate Iraq and 9-11, while holding hands with the Saudis is an insult to our intelligence. And I think if we had a tape recording of Bush saying, I AM A LIAR, it wouldn’t be good enough for those that see Bush as perfect.</p>
<p>So once again you all think Bush can do know wrong.</p>
<p>If you think a person is perfect and can do know wrong, then you have yourself a Cult. </p>
<p>And browninfall, if it weren’t for people caring, I can almost gurantee the draft would be in effect and off you go instead of Brown. You couldn’t even get out of it by joining the National Guard like Bush did…you would be in a war…</p>
<p>And it was people that care that change things, if you want to sit back and take in all the benefits of this country go ahead, the rest of us fight FOR our country, its consitution, its democracy, its Bill of Rights…</p>
<p>And, iof I remember my history, there was a group of republicans and Clinton haters that spent 8 years going after Clinton. Yeah he screwed up. He was not perfect and he lied. </p>
<p>Bush is a lier and his friends care not for this country. And no matter what evidence we give members of the CUlt of Bush, you will still not admit it.</p>
<p>If this war is so important, go enlist</p>
<p>You haven’t presented any evidence…</p>
<p>We’ve asked you a million times, and the best you can do is namecall and show us opinion articles from your left wing friends. I’ve said a ton of times I don’t think Bush is perfect, I completely disagree with his view on gay rights, no child left behind, and teaching intelligent design. You seem to ignore that…</p>
<p>America is treating me just fine. I work hard, earn money, and I will be going to college, possibly for free thanks to America. I enjoy my freedoms, and I would fight to protect them. Maybe other people need to stop looking for other people to blame for their own problems. </p>
<p>It has also been said a million times there is no need for a draft, there are plenty of people enlisting, and we are no where close to having a shortage of troops. Saying how there would be a draft is just another one of the crazy left wing ideas to try to blaim Bush for something that didn’t/wouldn’t even happen…</p>
<p>I supported going to war in Iraq because I believed the President’s concern about weapons of mass destruction. Until, he is accountable, about this, I oppose the Iraq occupation. i was misled. There is alot of slippery talk by Bush to save face on this issue. Wasn’t he the guy against nation building?</p>
<p>Is there a bigger flip flop in foreign policy?</p>
<p>As to Cindy Sheehan, why shouldn’t she ask the president why her son died there? I was just more naive.</p>
<p>I do enjoy this website. I don’t need to go to DU, dailykos, Huffington, etc. because I can get the daily talking points all right here.</p>
<p>Full disclosure: I don’t go to Brown…my daughter does. She saw Bill Clinton speak at Brown in May and we didn’t disown her. We’re an open minded family. As an aside she was reruited by the Naval Academy and I encouraged her to give it serious consideration. She chose not to. She’s an adult…just like Cindy Sheehan’s son was an adult when he chose to join the military. </p>
<p>I don’t think I’ve ever said anywhere on these boards that President Bush has never made a mistake. That being said, I can’t recall reading ANY comments from the liberals here that acknowledge ANYTHING that President Bush has done as right or good. Your playbook says that everything George Bush does is bad. If something bad has happened, blame George. If those who support him are the Cult of Bush, then those of you who do not are certainly the Anti-Cult - obsessors if you will. Yes, some of us here support the President. I don’t think that he’s been a great President, but I certainly don’t consider him the worst that I’ve seen in my lifetime (think peanuts). On the other hand the liberals here seem to go nuts when Bush comes up - no matter the subject matter.</p>
<p>I agree that there were (and still are) many on the Right who couldn’t stand Bill Clinton. Much of their hatred was tinfoil hat conspiracy stuff, while some was understandable. That doesn’t change the fact, though, that many on this board obsess about George Bush. Obsessing about George Bush or Bill Clinton doesn’t seem like a healthy (or enjoyable) way to live.</p>
<p>Many here seem to have let their hatred for the man define their life. I think that that hatred is over the top and irrational. So many posts on this board basically all say the same thing. Are you folks trying to win converts, or is this board the way you let off steam from living your daily nighmare - that being, that George Bush is still your President?</p>
<p>^^^
exactly, some of us don’t need to blaim the president for everything. Maybe the first place some people should look when they have a problem is in the mirror…</p>
<p>watching parents argue is funny…</p>
<p>I don’t wake up in the morning hating anyone, I love this country and am ashamed and disheartened by the direction it is heading under this President. Dev67, you should read posts before you respond to them.</p>
<p>Citygirlsmom, in my family we were taught that if a person said they would do something, like stop pork barrel spending, and then didn’t do it that would be considered a lie…I suspect that is the same in your family. I have learned that some families have different views of what a lie is…if there is some way to deny it it isn’t a lie. I am sure that in your family people apologize for making mistakes, mine too… but apparently some people follow the presidents leadership on this too because they never apologize or admit to their errors even when it costs innocent lives. </p>
<p>I am waiting for them to announce that $3.00 a gallon gas is the Presidents response to global warming and that his withdrawel plan from Iraq requires a shortcut through Iran.</p>
<p>If any of you folks really think that this war is about anything other than oil… open up your eyes and ears…will you please???</p>
<p>It might be easier to accept some of this president’s mistakes if he didn’t spend so much time on vacation.</p>