<p>“We are raising a great deal of money to buy condoms for the football players and gasoline for our hunting jeeps. I just so hope it continues as our need is great.”</p>
<p>Would that be merit aid, or need-based? ;)</p>
<p>Got to love a man with priorities :)</p>
<p>So if you guys don’t agree that she is a raving lunatic, what do you think about her comments about Israel and the Jews?</p>
<p>How about her family that put out a statement saying they don’t support her?</p>
<p>How about the fact her son’s comrads and her family have said this is not what her son wanted?</p>
<p>How about the flip flop she made about meeting the president and what she said to him?</p>
<p>What about her support of Lynne Stewart?</p>
<p>What about her comments about America being a land of destruction since the beginning?</p>
<p>I assume since you say she is a hero that you support all her comments.</p>
<p>Assume nothing, that just makes u an …, do you suport everything Bush has ever said and done</p>
<p>And she is just a citizen, I don’t have to agree with everything she has said to agree that she is right about this war</p>
<p>And America has made many many many mistakes…we have a very imperct democraacy- slavery, womens rights, civil rights, all kinds of mistakes and policies- to ignore them is to deny or history</p>
<p>ANd there was no flip flop- read the articless</p>
<p>And her family, they can say what they like, its is irrelevant</p>
<p>HER SON IS DEAD </p>
<p>And maybe my kids will do something I don’t want them to do and get killed, well, it is my right and responsibility to step u</p>
<p>What you are talking about is old news, for instance the flipflop has been refuted over and over from the actual articles themselves, to the reporter who interviewed her.</p>
<p>And as far as Israel goes, I am not sure what is going on over there. Its a big giant mess</p>
<p>Why is this about Cindy Sheehan, and not about the President’s plan to keep us permanently in Iraq, at multiple military bases, and controlling the pipelines?</p>
<p>Start from the known and then try to infer intention. What evidence is there that the Administration (or the Democrats, for that matter) want to withdraw at all?</p>
<p>Just because she has every right to voice her opinion doesn’t mean she isn’t a lunatic. There are plenty of people preaching totally rediculous things in this country. No, you don’t have to support all that she does, but before you go around calling her a “hero,” you should know what she stands for. I personally would never call someone who has made malicious comments about Israel or the Jews a hero, even if I agreed with other things they had to say.</p>
<p>I think we should get off Cindy Sheehan and understand why neither party - Democrats or Republicans - wants us out of Iraq.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.newsociety.com/bookid/3877[/url]”>http://www.newsociety.com/bookid/3877</a></p>
<p>Clinton lied, and a million died. Bush’s policy is just an extension of same.</p>
<p>Criticizing the politicial opinions of Cindy Sheehan is like criticizing the political opinions of Rosa Parks.</p>
<p>Sheehan has come to embody a larger cause. The rest is periperal.</p>
<p>periperal and distracting, but isn’ that the point? </p>
<p>Bush’s policy is worse, imo. He declared an unending war. Even he said so.</p>
<p>I agree with Hayden. I personally wouldn’t refer to Cindy Sheehan as a hero. I certainly do not agree with many of the other things she’s said (and I would bet the majority of Americans don’t). However, I do absolutely stand with her in the belief that we need to get out of Iraq. I believe that she just happens to be the one who stepped forward first to galvanize our growing national unrest with regard to this war. Had it not been her, it would have been someone else. Our stated objective in Iraq is, in my opinion, impossible to achieve. There’s no reason to commit to remaining indefinitely in that troubled land, wasting more and more American lives. Whatever other views Cindy Sheehan might hold, she’s right in this regard.</p>
<p>“We judge the political persuasion as the vehicle is approaching and quickly throw out a sign that says either “Hummus on Stoneground Pita with Sprouts” or “Nearly Raw Whole Leg of Recently Bludgeoned Mammal”. We are raising a great deal of money to buy condoms for the football players and gasoline for our hunting jeeps. I just so hope it continues as our need is great.”</p>
<p>Curmudgeon, I love you! That was the best laugh I’ve had all week—priceless!</p>
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I don’t think so. In 3 years no one will remember her name.</p>
<p>“Criticizing the political opinions of Cindy Sheehan is like criticizing the political opinions of Rosa Parks.”</p>
<p>bandit, I agree. </p>
<p>But even worse is the implication that Rosa Parks and her stand for self-determination are, in some bizzaro-world, made equivalent to the theatrics and politics of Ms Sheehan.</p>
<p>The early Civil Rights movement had as little to do with Rosa Parks as the Get Out of Iraq squall has to do with Cindy Sheehan. </p>
<p>And both lacked support from Democratic politicians</p>
<p>Mini,</p>
<p>agreed!</p>
<p>I don’t think Rosa Parks had any sort of racist hatred towards others that I’ve ever heard about…I don’t quite understand that analogy. Part of Cindy’s reason for being anti-war is that she thinks we are fighting “for Israel,” which makes no sense. So no, it isn’t periperal. That is like saying that you support the Islamic Jihad because they want a home for the Palestinians, but it is periperal that they support suicide bombings.</p>
<p>Does it strike anyone else as ironic that the devil is fighting so hard to defend Israel, Gods chosen people…</p>
<p>Devils…what do you think would happen to our support for Israel if we are able to establish our own long term military bases in the mideast and can control things from there? Did it occur to you that some people in power resent having to do so much for this Israel and would not miss exerting so much energy to support it?</p>
<p>We have been in Turkey and Saudi for decades. We were in Greece for many years. It has no effect on our support of Israel. The strength of the American Jewish community and their money has the most to do with our support of Israel.</p>
<p>At last Mr. B, a comment I can agree with. There are many in Washington who are ready to abandon Israel. Howard Dean has argued that America should not take sides between Israel and Palestine. Former President Clinton welcomed Arafat to the White House. Senator Kerry has argued that the U.N. “must provide the necessary legitimacy” to ensure the success of the war on terrorism around the world.</p>
<p>The U.N. has presented over 300 resolutions condemning Israel, and none condemning Arab states. The Left has already abandoned Israel. That’s why the likes of David Duke are supporters of your hero.</p>
<p>So what if someone supports someone. I can’t stand David Duke. So what he found something to say he supports Cindy. AHHHHHHH. </p>
<p>I am sure there are some white supremists who support Bush. And some real fringe people that support Bush. Does that mean you can’t support Bush? Hmmmm…</p>
<p>So, if I like a public figure, I should make sure that every other person that agrees with them on a statement or two is perfect. Got it.</p>
<p>No, but I would certainly try to understand why someone like a David Duke supports someone that I consider a hero. David Duke is a radical extremist not beloved by too many except those who are out there with him on the fringe. Why would this unserious man who is known for his hatred of Jews be supporting my hero?</p>
<p>I know that everything always has to come back to George Bush (i.e. white supremacists supporting George Bush), but this is a Cindy Sheehan thread. I think that it’s fair and reasonable to point out in a Cindy Sheehan thread that she is supported by those on the fringe like David Duke.</p>
<p>My main point though was that your liberal cohorts are abandoning Israel. I agreed with Mr. B. that there are those in Washington who are phony supporters of Israel and I gave a few examples that show that to be the case.</p>