<p>Every once in a while I think about the chain. I smile.</p>
<p>Also I feel strongly that somebody should share the OED definition of the word roar with Katy perry.</p>
<p>If it wasnt for her daddy, no one would know who she was.
*This girl *is talented.
[Wish</a> I was the moon – Star Anna - YouTube](<a href=“Wish I was the moon -- Star Anna - YouTube”>Wish I was the moon -- Star Anna - YouTube)</p>
<p>This is amazing:</p>
<p>[Star</a> Anna - Call Your Girlfriend (Live on KEXP) - YouTube](<a href=“Star Anna - Call Your Girlfriend (Live on KEXP) - YouTube”>Star Anna - Call Your Girlfriend (Live on KEXP) - YouTube)</p>
<p>I’d never heard her before. Thanks, emeraldkty</p>
<p>Thanks EK. I love that song!</p>
<p>Saw Neko case last month and Karen Elson opened for her. Both great!</p>
<p>I’ve taken a lot of high level gender studies courses and fail to see what willingness to shake your half naked behind on television for attention has to do with feminism. I don’t understand how the two things even end up in the same conversation, to be honest.</p>
<p>I do like some of Miley’s songs-- especially Wrecking Ball, but her behavior lately is REALLY turning me off. I bought wrecking ball and didn’t bother with the rest of the album, even though I am sure there is more that I would like, because I feel guilty encouraging her.</p>
<p>I’m wondering how the under 30 group on the thread define feminist?</p>
<p>or the over 30 group? :)</p>
<p>I have no idea anymore. (over 50 group)</p>
<p>ETA: my other idea for a thread was Doris Lessing has died since no one else here brought it up.</p>
<p>alh–</p>
<p>Look at FEMEN.</p>
<p>I agree with Emahees first paragraph. Didnt she and Liam break-up last year too before the showing of Hunger Games? I expect them to get back together a few months after Catching Fire.</p>
<p>07DAD: thanks! That is what the VMA performance looked like to me, more than one of Britney’s performances. Also it looked like deliberate satire/parody.</p>
<p>ahl, the miley/brittney v. Gaga/Pink summary,</p>
<p>think of Beugereau’s Venus and Manet’s Olympia in that fated paris salon?</p>
<p>Olympia stares at the artist, the viewer, and even though she is clearly a prostitute, as were they all, she has power. This very painting is the starting point of the Focoult debate for this reason. Part of the reason this model became famous and the painting, as well, is because she understood what she was doing. She was not sitting there in the same way the models once sat there.</p>
<p>The Venus? Nobody knows who the model was. One of many. It’s a beautiful piece, obviously, but it’s not about that woman. It’s just about the painter. Obviously there are different ways to be objectified.</p>
<p>Romani, GaGa knows what she is doing in a post modern art sense. I don’t like everything she does, but she knows what she is doing.</p>
<p>Pink is the best of them, though. No doubt. At least if we are confining ourselves to pop stars.</p>
<p>Brittney is a grown woman whose father has custody of her, and Miley is on her way to the same place, imho. I think Sinead Oconnor was spot on in her letter.</p>
<p>To be clear: it’s not THAT Miley twerks or sticks her tongue out, it’s why she twerks and sticks her tongue out. I do not think it is social commentary anymore than I think “I want your sex” by George Michael is social commentary. It’s sales.</p>
<p>poetgrl–</p>
<p>what about Madonna? Some think she is the real (feminist) deal. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/14/opinion/madonna-finally-a-real-feminist.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/14/opinion/madonna-finally-a-real-feminist.html</a></p>
<h1>31 Yes. I get that argument. However, if someone is controlling her, I don’t understand the performance. I think it was about her, the more I think about it. She’s subverting the Disney princess image? She’s running from pretty? Maybe she’s not successful, but I think it’s an attempt. She is uneducated. As far as I can tell.</h1>
<p>ETA: Thank you! I am interested in what your daughter thinks.</p>
<p>My daughter thinks that Miley would do well for herself to get some education.</p>
<p>Pink is not educated, but she’s smart. Miley is uneducated and is making a fool of herself.</p>
<p>Of course, my girls prefer a different kind of music. So, she barely registers with them unless she’s “in the news.”</p>
<p>ETA: 07, I think that Madonna “became” a feminist as she came to understand what it was that she was doing and educated herself. But, Madonna, like Pink, and GaGa (who is educated), is quite bright.</p>
<p>For me, I haven’t seen anything that makes me feel as if Miley Cyrus has something insightful to add to the dialogue.</p>
<p>Is it even possible to make art without making a fool of oneself sometimes? off topic but a friend’s book just came out to rather mixed reviews so sort of on my mind.</p>
<p>07DAD: Madonna is the comparison I think of, too.</p>
<p>ETA: I think feminists can be very bad artists.</p>
<p>Of course not. The meat suit was horrendous. Actually, there’s a lot of stuff I think artists I respect do which is not great. But, they know what they are doing. </p>
<p>Look, Miley has some potential. Let’s see where it lands. I’m not convinced she is relevant any more than I think a Harlequin Romance is relevant. It’s enjoyable for some, in a superficial way. Some inexperienced people might find it sexy or provocative, but it’s not “art.” </p>
<p>And if you are going to claim to be making social commentary with your performances then you are asking to be taken seriously as an artist. I know art. This isn’t’ art. It’s marketing.</p>
<p>I hadn’t actually started thinking yet about whether she is any kind of artist to be taken seriously. Just whether she is a feminist? Like she claims?</p>
<p>Define feminism. That’s the issue.</p>
<p>right. no idea. I do not have a PhD in English :)</p>
<p>I really like 07DAD’s feminists. Though I’m conflicted on a few of their goals.</p>
<p>Not fair. You are an autodidact and have as much education as I do.</p>