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An airplane flies with a velocity of 45.0 m/s [ W 35o N] with respect to the air (this is known as air speed). If the velocity of the airplane according to a stationary observer on the ground is 30.0 m/s [W 60o N], what was the wind velocity?

Would you find the answer by adding or subtracting the vectors?

A marble rolls with a velocity of 14 mm/s [W] on a game board that is being pulled [E 60o N] at 20.0 mm/s. What is the velocity of the marble relative to the floor?

How would you do direction for this question?

@MITer94

Is this right for the second questions?

Vm/f = 10mm/s j + (45mm/scos60 i + 45mm/ssin60 j)
Vm/f = 22.5mm/s i + 49.0mm/s j

|Vm/f| = √(22.5² + 49²) mm/s = 53.9 mm/s
Θ = arctan(49/22.5) = 65.3º N of E

what do i do for the first. I am stuck at this point. let me know if i did something wrong

VAa= 45.00 m/s [W35 degrees N]
VAG= 30.0 m/s (W 60 degrees N]

try to do law of cosine
angle c= 60-35=25
convert to radians = (25pi/180)

c squared= 45 squared + 30 sqaured - 2 (45) (30) cost (25pi/180)
=225.1
c=15.0 m/s (wind speed)
vx= 45 x cos 35 = 36.9 m/s
ux= 30 x cos 60 =15.0 m/s
vx-ux= 36.9-15=21.9 m/s
theta=cos-1(21.9/15)
but I get an error ( what did I do wrong)

@zxcvbnm1216 for the first question, use the following equation:

VAG = VAW + VW
<==> V
W = VAG - VAW

where VAG is the velocity vector of the plane relative to the observer, VAW is the velocity of the plane relative to wind, and V_W is the wind.

You might find it easier splitting the vectors into x- and y-components.

ok thanks @MITer94

@MITer94 Does the second answer look right to you?

@zxcvbnm1216 I think you should also just do it by x- and y-component.

I am not sure where you got the numbers 10 (mm/s) and 45 mm/s from.

Also, you probably don’t need to use sin/cos, since 60 degrees is a nice angle to work with.

@MITer94 for the first question how come this way would not work?:

VAa= 45.00 m/s [W35 degrees N]
VAG= 30.0 m/s (W 60 degrees N]

try to do law of cosine
angle c= 60-35=25
convert to radians = (25pi/180)

c squared= 45 squared + 30 sqaured - 2 (45) (30) cost (25pi/180)
=225.1
c=15.0 m/s (wind speed)
vx= 45 x cos 35 = 36.9 m/s
ux= 30 x cos 60 =15.0 m/s
vx-ux= 36.9-15=21.9 m/s
theta=cos-1(21.9/15)
but I get an error ( what did I do wrong)

I thought using law of cosines would work to solve the problem

so based on
VW = VAG - V_AW
the wind speed is 15.0 m/s
How would I solve for direction? @MITer94

@zxcvbnm1216 as I said before, just solve it component by component (e.g. find the x-component, then the y-component). You should get a vector for V_W.

To find its direction, take the inverse tangent of (VWx / VWy) where VWx, VWy are the x- and y-components of the vector.

ok now i realize why they should be split. thanks very much @MITer94

@MITer94 I am getting a complete different answer

VAw= 45.0 m/s (35 degrees west of north)
VAG= 30.0 m/s (60 degrees west of north)

Vw= VAG-VAW

VAW component

dy= sin 55 x 45
=36.9 m/s

dx= cos 55 x 45
25.8 m/s

VAG component

dy= sin 30 x 30
dy= 15.0 m/s

dx= cos 30 x 30
=26.0 m/s

dtx= 15.0 m/s - 36.9 m/s
=-21.9m/s

dty= 26.0 m/s - 25.8 m/s
=0.2 m/s

root(0.2 squared + 21.9 squared)
=21.9 m/s (wind speed)

Direction:

tan-1 (0.2/21.9)
=0.5 degrees

0.5 degrees west of north

There has to be something wrong

@zxcvbnm1216 you have to be very careful with +/- signs and your choice of coordinate systems. I don’t even know what coordinate system you are using.

I would rather use headings (simply because it’s less confusing to me, but also because it’s more standardized). The “air speed” direction is 305° and the velocity of the plane (relative to observer) has heading 330°. A slightly better choice might be to use 0° = east, 90° = north, etc., but headings are pretty standard when flying.

Define the +x and +y in the usual way, where +x corresponds to “east” and +y corresponds to “north” (as if you were looking at a compass).

Then:

VAG[x] = -30 cos 60° = -15 m/s (I put the - sign because VAG points westward, or in the -x direction).
V_AG[y] = 30 sin 60° = 25.98 m/s

VAW[x] = -45 cos 35° = -36.86 m/s
V
AW[y] = 45 sin 35° = 25.81 m/s

VW = VAG - V_AW

Therefore:

VW[x] = -15 m/s - (-36.86) m/s = 21.86 m/s (this is positive, which means the wind is headed eastward)
V
W[y] = 25.98 m/s - 25.81 m/s = 0.18 m/s (also positive, meaning the wind is headed slightly northward)

|V_W| = sqrt((21.86)^2 + (0.18)^2) ≈ 21.9 m/s

So this part is good.


For the direction, if you draw out the VW vector, you will see that tan^(-1) (0.18/21.86) gives the angle x relative to east (E x N using your notation). The 0.5° means that the actual wind velocity has direction E 0.5° N, or an 89.5° heading relative to north. If you draw out the VAW and V_AG vectors to scale, you should see that the direction makes sense.

Thank you so much @MITer94 for all your help. You are the best