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<p>What a crock. That sentence was more of your typical gobbledygook. When I asked you to explain it, …chirp, chirp,…yawn.</p>
<p>**the injustice that our society still NEEDS to use a system of preferences to ensure that our schools maintain a modicum of similarity to the racial distribution of the country.
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<p>Does this also apply to athletics? That is, instead of fielding the best team possible, should there be caps on how many from each race can be on the schools’ athletic roster?</p>
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<p>Opposing racial preferences is very libertarian; after all, we believe in viewing people as individuals, not as members of “groups.”</p>
<p>As for a private business choosing to serve whomever it wishes, sure. That’s libertarian too. But then my tax dollars shouldn’t be funneled to this private business, now should it?</p>
<p>As for you, if you support the private business’s operation, you are free to patronize it and donate to it however you like. That’s also libertarian! :D</p>
<p>The Pro-AA side is stereotyping asian immigrants, that’s not adult-like.</p>
<p>That’s pretty racist, actually.</p>
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<p>Well, I don’t want to leave dear Bay hanging, do I?</p>
<p>In post #2188, I rhetorically asked, “How will you EVER get to the point where you don’t use [racial classification] if you keep using it?” In the very next paragraph, I answered with “Oh, because by using it today, we can create an educated class of “underrepresented” minorities in leadership roles, thereby producing a virtuous cycle, which will enable us to stop using racial classification?”</p>
<p>It is my understanding that that is a key takeaway of The Shape of the River. I don’t have a copy on hand, but that’s how the [Harvard</a> Summer Institute on College Admissions](<a href=“http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~sica/reading.htm]Harvard”>http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~sica/reading.htm) describes it: “…we simply must continue race-conscious admissions policies because they create a number of strong and important black professionals and black leaders…”</p>
<p>Are we clear now, Bay? And just for completeness, here’s Justice Kennedy’s take on that idea:</p>
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<p>That’s from Parents Involved.</p>
<p>woeishe - How do feel about all this?</p>
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<p>Gee, fab, I hate to break it to you, but your tax dollars fund all kinds of private businesses who pick and choose their customers, in the form of tax breaks, credits, subsidies and grants. I’m surprised it hasn’t driven your libertarian mouth to drink.</p>
<p>The discussion I am more interested in is how can Asian parents help their kids overcome this discrimination. To me, the solution is two fold. First, if you are a citizen, write to your elected representatives regularly about the fact that some of their constituents are being discriminated against based on race, and that’s not OK. Second, donate to your alma maters. Create hooks for your kids.</p>
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<p>**tax dollars fund all kinds of private businesses who pick and choose their customers, in the form of tax breaks, credits, subsidies and grants. **</p>
<p>For example?</p>
<p>Fab, you’re Libertarian?</p>
<p>**Which laws were those? **</p>
<p>Anti-discrimination laws.</p>
<p>When I look at that long list of highly selective schools, and note that Asians are there at rates higher than their representation in the population at almost all of them, to me it raises the following question: How many highly qualified Asian students are there, numerically? We pretty much know that there aren’t enough highly qualified black students to go around, because pretty much all those same colleges have percentages of black students below their share of the population–and we also know that the colleges compete to get those high-stats URMs.</p>
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<p>Humm, that analogy will not go anywhere! Athletic teams are not build around racial quotas --although professional teams in sports such as European soccer might have had to deal with nationality quotas. But I diverge, and let’s go back to athletic teams. </p>
<p>As most people who understand how athletic teams are formed do know, there is a need for diverse qualities and aptitude. For instance a soccer team selects different players to play defense or offense, not to mention the goalkeepers. Take a look at our good old american football … do you think that OL players are cut from the same cloth as defensive backs? </p>
<p>Would a team that selects all 300 pounders football players be as competitive as a team composed of … diverse players? There is only ONE answer to that question! Is there a “quota” on the number of players for each position? Not really, but there are good guidelines that a NFL team should not keep more than 3 active QBs or a dozen DBs. Having appropriate numbers of each class of players ENSURES that the team would be better. </p>
<p>Now, let’s look at at what adcoms do? Just as an NFL coach won’t select the 47 fastest runners possible, the adcoms will try to build a team, and in this case a class. Their job is to ensure that the very best class is built to satisfy the demands of faculty AND coaches AND music directors, and … name it. For this reason, they do not use a paint-by-the-numbers strategy that confuses meritocracy with a combination of GPA and standardized test scores. Like it or not, elements such as demonstrating personal qualities or overcoming obstacles DO play a role. </p>
<p>Positing that a class based on the highest SAT or GPA represents a better freshman class at a selective university is simply shortsighted.</p>
<p>Oh well, I probably will regret to have come back to this thread!</p>
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<p>Well, I’m not a registered member of the Libertarian Party if that’s what you mean, but I agree with a lot of libertarian ideas and views. I feel that libertarian views allow me to see the inconsistencies among both liberal and conservative positions. To paint with a broad brush, liberals are for personal freedom but not economic freedom whereas the reverse is true for conservatives; libertarians favor both. So I agree with conservatives on right-to-work laws, but I agree with liberals on religious freedom.</p>
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<p>AND THAT IS FINE. You won’t find a single post on this thread from any opponent of racial preferences expressing the “not” position.</p>
<p>But you DO NOT have to consider racial classification to allow for demonstration of personal qualities or the overcoming of obstacles.</p>
<p>Fab - I take issue with the last statement if you are implying conservatives are not for religious freedom.</p>
<p>woeishe - Hopefully it is a phase. You have a hard life ahead of you with a lot of name calling if you stay a black libertarian. :p</p>
<p>I’m a member of my school’s Young Libertarians club that’s why I asked. :D</p>
<p>xiggi: very very very well-stated!!</p>