<p>No, to the contrary- you did not provide a quotation. Only a reference. Where is the quote? You have no idea what my thinkingis on tis matter. Please do not assume that you do.</p>
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<p>I’ll bet Mikey Yang got a 750+ on the math section of the SAT.</p>
<p>For the umpteenth time, I an askimg for evidence, EVIDENCE to support your accusation that adcomms are retaliating against STEM students because of some past issue with math, and that adcomms believe asians have no leadership potential. Where is the EVIDENCE???</p>
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<p>I think I’ve made my point. Let’s leave it to the jury to decide. Here’s your comment @#3962:
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<p>So what is your thinking on this matter?</p>
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<p>Calm down, please. First respond to the Marilee Jones comment.</p>
<p>Finally- a citation. Do you have others to support your accusation that adcomms are retaliating against students strong in math because of their past math challenges? And that adcomms believe asians have no leadership skills? These are accusations you made. They are strong accusations. I am merely asking for evidence.</p>
<p>Geez-- one doesnt barely have time to finish typing and you are telling them to “calm down”? How insulting. For the umpteenth time, stop ducking and weaving. It is dizzying.</p>
<p>Lima, Truth be told, I do not think we need people with the right major or the right scores to be AdComs. I merely think that we need unbiased people who are willing to follow objective and non-racist criteria. I do not want an Asian AdCom stacking the deck in favor of Asians either. I do not want a STEM major doing the same for future STEM majors. I am for no stacking of decks altogether, objective criteria (which can include ECs, but evaluated in a standardized way), and no factors based on race.</p>
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<p>What is this, majority rule? LOL.</p>
<p>I thought everyone knew of this incident and no citation was needed. After all, as you say, it is “old news”.</p>
<p>Besides, I would think you woudl be doing the happy dance (along with many others) when Marilee Jones was exposed and removed form her position. If this was her position and she is no longer there, then the problem is solved, per your statement.</p>
<p>This is tiresome, IP. You twist “opinion” with “fact” and then duck and weave when asked direct questions. Yours is nothing but opinion. Fine. Own it. Why look down on others or posting their opinion too? (Rhetorical question-- no need to answer).</p>
<p>The marilee jones issue is old news-- and the retaliation against strong math students? Are you claiming that was her doing as well? Really? At MIT? Really???</p>
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Translation- unable to provide any evidence that adcomms are retaliating against strong math students.</p>
<p>As an aside, my s’s are both strong math students and in STEM. They did not feel any sort of retaliation/discrimination in the admissions process. Perhaps we are to take that to mean that they were admitted because of their strong leadership skills :)</p>
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<p>I think trying to keep race out of anything is inherently racist. As person of a particular race you really have no understanding of the issues other races face. Most white people have chosen their identities. People of color have no such privilege; they carry their identities wherever they go.</p>
<p>For some students, race is tied up so closely with their identity, its impossible to treat dispassionately. For others, race is a topic theyve barely investigated, making them reluctant to talk about it at all. For still others, it touches a raw nerve of defensiveness about their own privilege, causing them to lash out and deny its validity.</p>
<p>Its difficult for you to not see race as an issue because it hasnt been an issue for you personally (as you have mentioned many times). People on this thread are merely trying to explain the world doesnt work that way for everyone. From your perspective you have a tendency to see race as a taboo topic; a socialized belief that the United States is a just society where racial disparity doesn’t exist (only in college admissions at elite universities); and a denial that you are personally prejudiced, even as though you claim to recognize racism in others.</p>
<p>A color-blind admission policy undermines efforts to create more equity and we cannot actively combat racism by ignoring its relevance. To simply look at “who gets the highest scores” without any context to their experiences is naive. Most of the people on this forum do not believe in systematic racism and will therefore never agree with you IP, no matter how you “spin” it.</p>
<p>An aside - I am beginning to feel a bit paranoid like we are on Truman show. I am counting the number of psychiatrists who are contributing to this thread and running scared.</p>
<p>^ fwiw tx</p>
<p>For still others, it touches a raw nerve of defensiveness about their own privilege, causing them to lash out and deny its validity.</p>
<p>You might want to explore that with someone.</p>
<p>Lima, Let’s say that you are completely right. Would you then also agree that Asians played no part in the racism against URMs, but whites did? Yet, the UC example shows that whites are not losing seats to URMs, Asians are. It is always very easy to do charity with other people’s money. It is even more attractive to pay for reparations with other people’s money. </p>
<p>Why not do a simple thing instead? Let’s first allocate the seats in terms of objective criteria. Then, leave the Asians alone, but have the White share their seats with URMs? Wouldn’t that be the fair thing to do, to both URMs and Asians?</p>
<p>Under this situation, I believe that Whites will lose seats precipitously. I would like to see how the White defenders of AA react to that, as I have my suspicions.</p>
<p>One question though (the pop psychology aside). What prejudice do you see in me? I am merely following the US Constitution’s Equal Protection clause. That’s not prejudicial in my view.</p>
<p>jym, I apologize for getting you so riled up. Clearly you have very strong feelings here. I do not think you and I will ever see eye-to-eye on this issue, so it is best to part ways.</p>