<p>Sorry for the ‘exist’ term. It was meant to be “life/live” to replace that.</p>
<p>" Alright, I agree. Protists, fungi, etc lack brains, but I thought we’re keeping things practical here. You’ve completely deviated from the topic. I’m talking about edible plants and animals. I mean you’re not going to eat an amoeba.
I’m talking about the concept of a sentient being.
I mean I know tables and inanimate objects without brains exist. This isn’t a question about existence. This is about a living thing with actual feelings. Living things with feelings possess all five senses. Its true.
Animals know their offspring and mates and their community. A plant does not have those feelings.
Killing an animal can hurt their feelings. “Killing” a plant doesn’t. "</p>
<p>What do you mean by practical? Life at a cellular level isn’t practical enough for you? And my ‘brain’ argument was referring to what you said about how “none can live without a brain”. I also wasn’t arguing that living things do not posses all five senses and express feelings. I’m saying that those are not requirements for life to exist (that exist was referring to life).
Yes, animals know their offsprings and mates and their community. A plant does not have the ability to do this (some exceptions but that’s besides the point) but we’re talking about what is classified as living. All those things you mentioned, while true, are not essential for life.</p>
<p>You also said this is about feelings? No, it’s not about feelings. If i may refer back to one of your posts, you said " ^Plants don’t have consciousness or a viable brain. Hence I’m not killing them. I’m merely utilizing them. " . Killing or Ending of a life has absolutely nothing to do with feelings. It has to do with the ending of life processes in an organism. Plain and Simple.</p>
<p>" Umm…I never said plants don’t exist…I’m trying to say that it doesn’t have feelings. It isn’t as tangible in life as an animal. "</p>
<p>Already done with the existence mix up. To your second comment: Your use of ‘tangible’ proves that you believe plants are alive right? So if you beleive that they’re alive, on any level, that means you beleive you are killing them when you eat them also. </p>
<p>Don’t get me wrong, i don’t have any problems at all with vegetarians. I know so many and love em 
. It’s also not that big of a deal too but you say that non-vegetarians (meat-eaters) are doing a disservice by killing and eating life/meat when your doing the exact same thing. (Eating plants or animals is not a disservice to me but the fact that people view either/or as something ‘bad’ is the reason i’ve argued)</p>
<p>" I want you to understand that plants aren’t killed when we pick fruit from them. I understand that carrots and potatoes (root vegetables) are “killed” in the process, but I don’t consider that killing. "</p>
<p>I know plants aren’t killed when their fruits are plucked. I never said they were. In your statement where you said "I understand that carrots and potatoes (root vegetables) are “killed” in the process, but I don’t consider that killing. ", the word ‘consider’ says that you’re opinionating. If life is what we both define as life and death is what we define as death, then you are also killing plants not just utilizing them.</p>
<p>" I’m not hurting anyone by doing so. And plants lack sufficient feelings to express grief (they don’t even feel any). They can’t even understand the concept of grief and death.
To me, I see them as tools. Just like how you use a crowbar to open things (the crowbar dents in the process…but it doesn’t cry out or express pain)."</p>
<p>Grief doesn’t determine death. Understand that there is a very fine line between what one expresses and what is actually happening. Your crowbar example is in no way relevant to the argument because there isn’t an argument as to whether a crowbar is alive or not. If Jimmy kills Todd and Todd smiles while he is dying, does that mean that Todd doesn’t die because he didn’t express pain or anger or grief? No. He did die because for someone to die, he doesn’t necessarily have to express any emotions.</p>
<p>"There are a lot of people out there who believe the way I do. It makes sense to me. So I do it. There’s a reason why PG cartoons casually show the Hulk uprooting trees. They don’t show him stomping on little rabbits.</p>
<p>PS: One more thing. Please refine your statements when you respond. Much of your sentences are unclear. You have a lot of spelling mistakes. Fix them please. "</p>
<p>I know there are alot of people that think the way you do. Look, the only argument i have with you here is that you are also killing plants, which you might argue because it’s your basis for being a vegetarian right? Hulk is shown uprooting trees and not killing rabbits because killing plants is seen as not that important in society. That doesn’t mean that he is still not killing the plants. </p>
<p>And about my misunderstood statements, if you don’t understand the specific phrases, sentences or literary devices i use, then point them out to me. I would clearly take a look at them and clarify as much as possible. :D</p>