<p>Perhaps cangels D wants a makeover…</p>
<p>I have lived all over the country and, although we may <em>want</em> to be perceived differently, people are still judged by appearances. There have been any number of tests done by researchers that show “attractive” people are perceived as more intelligent, etc. than “unattractive” people…and that goes for men as well as women.</p>
<p>attractive in those cases was simply defined as having an asymetrical face. it didnt mean tweezed eyebrows lip stick and blush.</p>
<p>i undertsand that maybe cangels daughter wanted a makeover, but why else would she feel the need to ‘makeover’ her face unless she got the feeling from <em>somewhere</em> that her face needed making over?</p>
<p>We are bombarded daily with images of what is “attractive” and what is not…women have been making up their faces for thousands of years…I don’t think that is going to change any time soon…physical appearances are important, for both men and women…it is just the way it is…and why shouldn’t anyone, regardless of sex, want to look his/her best…I’ll probably get flamed for this, but I personally have no problem with plastic surgery or anything that any adult wants to do to improve his/her appearance - whatever floats your boat, as they say. As far as teenage plastic surgery goes, I don’t agree w/ implants, etc. but nose jobs are a different story.</p>
<p>I guess we really got off the topic didn’t we?</p>
<p>i agree ckr, but the change needs to start somewhere and it should come from parents.</p>
<p>Guys, guys, I don’t think you understand what a makeover is ?!? LOL! This is not some medieval torture session inflicted by the Mama from H*** before she launches her daughter into the meat market matchmaking at Kappa Kappa Stupid!
This is like a day at the spa, duh! Yes they will wax her eyebrows, but she will also get a special facial for acne (its actually done at the dermatologist), a facial massage, pedicure, manicure, maybe a real massage (I wouldn’t want one, but every I know that’s ever had one loved it). New haircut, etc - It is about making her feel pampered, and feel good about herself, not some artificial measure of attractiveness.</p>
<p>And by the way, she only wears make-up for special occasions, and doesn’t go to the dermatologist nearly as much as I would like her to, for the health of her skin, because she hates fooling with all the washes and creams they prescribe.</p>
<p>Filmxoxo17, do you or any of your friends have piercings or tattoos? I apologize for being discourteous, but I’m curious.</p>
<p>When you said “makeover,” I wasn’t picturing “The Swan.” I was thinking maybe a good haircut, some lessons in maintaining it without spending hours in front of the mirror, a manicure, a lesson in how to apply make-up and what types of make-up work, etc… the stuff that girly-girls are able to do as naturally as breathing but other girls (more nerdy types such as myself) would actually need some help with.</p>
<p>cangel - I do understand…and I think most D’s would love the pampering - have to admit to being a girly-girl myself! I</p>
<p>my 14 yr old daughter has this page as “her” website on her blog.
<a href=“http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.com%5B/url%5D”>http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.com</a>
<a href=“http://www.mediaandwomen.org/resources.html[/url]”>http://www.mediaandwomen.org/resources.html</a>
I think it is great that she is trying to more actively think about messages that the media projects.
I think there is a big difference between looking neat and clean ( inc tweezing brows, taking care of skin etc) and making it the most noticable thing about you, whether you obviously spend a lot of time on appearance or no time at all.
Attractive also includes personality, self confidence, and intelligence, and if wearing nice clothes and a little makeup helps you feel alittle more perked up that day then go for it.</p>
<p>To cangel- why wouldn’t you want a massage? They are great! Good for lots more than just the swedish style rubdowns in Edward g robinson movies.
Massage can break down scar tissue that limits mobility, even increasing breathing capacity for someone like me who suffers from asthma. It increases circulation so that helps all your body functions work better, and its terribly relaxing as well.
I wish I could get one everyday!
( for skin probs I recommend the Murad line that is used where my daughter goes for facials)</p>
<p>cangel… not sure what the tatoo or piercing question is all about, but im assuming you’re basing it on new yorker stereotypes??</p>
<p>for a little background, im an upper east side manhattan private school girl, so no, im not some gross ugly tatooed junky. 
and i model so im not exactly the hunchback of notre dame either, i just think that some parents are detrimental to the self esteem of their kids by placing a lot of value on how they should change their looks. i do facials all the time, thats ont a makeover.</p>
<p>Beleive me lots of people have tattoos that you would never suspect, while some do it to fit in, others do it for themselves.
Piercings are something else, I don’t think it is safe to have piercings in certain areas, and they seem to cause more problems than they are worth. ( depending on area- remember I live in a big city and I have seen it all, from eyebrow rings to metal mohawks- I have met people that have Prince Alberts but I havent asked to see them!)</p>
<p>As cangel’s daughter, I can no longer sit back and watch this. (Mom, I could do without the make over, but the massage sounds good.)
Yes, women are treated differently here. We are GRITS. We are Steel Magnolias. We are strong. We are the ones who hold the family together. Just because we also know how to properly dress ourselves and how to give dinner parties does not make us any less empowered; Southern women just as empowered as other women. We lull people into a false sense of security with our Scarlett O’Hara-esque manners, and then pounce. My favorite line from that movie “Sweet Home, Alabama” was “Just because I talk slow doesn’t mean I’m stupid.”<br>
Don’t worry about us southern girls being put on a pedestal. We were raised to be there, we want to be there, and we know that we can get where we want to be from there. And never underestimate someone who says “y’all.”</p>
<p>Greensleeves:
Well said!</p>
<p>I am afraid to ask-- what on earth is a “Prince Albert?”</p>
<p>think about piercings on areas that your grandmother wouldn’t see.</p>
<p>Unless your grandmother was Queen Victoria.</p>
<p>Oh, I see. (faints)</p>
<p>You go Greensleeves!</p>
<p>Well, good for you for speaking up for yourself and your fellow Southern women, Greensleeves. Just remember: the rest of us also give amazingly good dinner parties and many don’t feel we need to “properly dress” (um, just who is defining “proper”?) or put on makeup to do so. We come in all varieties and all of us need to recognize and celebrate that.</p>
<p>I can’t resist highlighting this one line, though:</p>
<p>“We lull people into a false sense of security with our Scarlett O’Hara-esque manners, and then pounce.”</p>
<p>Tell me: is this supposed to be a <em>good</em> thing?</p>
<p>FilmXOXO, I wasn’t basing the tattoos on HYC stereotypes, there are plenty of tattoos down here, and piercings in all sorts of, ahem, areas. I was making the point that there are similarities between adorning yourself with tattoosand piercings and having your eyebrows waxed, a facial and getting some make-up tips. In fact, none of those things are permanent. Both are forms of making a statement.
Emeraldkitty, I just can’t bring myself to do it, my husband has had a couple on cruises and swears by them.</p>
<p>“We lull people into a false sense of security with our Scarlett O’Hara-esque manners, and then pounce.”</p>
<p>Kiddo, not in our house we don’t! Behave! I think she meant Southern women are a lot tougher and stronger than they appear, but that didn’t quite sound right. We’ll talk.</p>
<p>LOL - I interpreted Greensleeves remark as meaning that on occasion one is misjudged or underestimated because of being “feminine” or “soft spoken” - and that one can take advantage of that. I personally see no problem with that…but I may be in the minority here.</p>