Are you ready for some football?

Maybe Winston will get “penile monitoring” like Sharper.

Sure, why not? I’m up for some good Cowboys draft talk… :slight_smile:

Some interesting comments from Chris Simms on Aaron Hernandez:

and

To flush it all because someone spilled a drink on you…

http://tikiandtierney.radio.cbssports.com/2015/04/16/chris-simms-hernandez-was-polarizing-in-locker-room/

hayden----judge spoke to jurors after the verdict was decided, but I believe before it was announced–sorry I was unclear.

So Tebow is getting a change with the Jets. Kelley loves him some read option.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Seahawks are back from their vacation in paradise and reporting to OTAs. It looks like Bennett is doing a mini-hold out after all but the chances of him being traded or having his 4 year contract increased after one year are approaching zero.

I think you mean “getting a chance with the Eagles”.

I don’t really understand this move. He’s a career sub-50% passer who averages barely 100 yards a game. And he fumbles a lot, so will he really be effective in a read-option?

Yep - I did, but too late to edit. I guess it will also be a change :wink:

They brought him in to put pressure on Sanchez :))

So now they have a gimp and a butt fumbler and a guy who can’t throw.

Tebow and Sanchez–reunited! As a Giants fan, this stuff is golden!

That’s a recipe for success - poach the Jets’ quarterbacks! Ha!

Do you think at some point people will stop writing about Tebow? When the Patriots signed him, reuniting him with the guy who drafted and played him, there was non-stop coverage. It was obvious from fairly early on that he didn’t have the skill to play NFL QB. Whatever improvements he’d made to his throwing form disintegrated quickly but more disturbing was that he couldn’t make decisions quickly. The Patriots weren’t going to gut their playbook for a QB.

Anyone remember Archie Griffin? The only 2 time Heisman winner. He “played” 7 years in the NFL but never did anything - and as an RB didn’t have to learn such a difficult position. He never gained 700 yards. Only scored a few TDs in his career.

@Lergnom - I hope not. I like Tebow, :smiley:

Plus we had to listen to stuff about Vick down here for years…ugh. Nice to here about someone who isn’t a thug.

I like Tebow too, but its just an open question of whether he can play. Elway obviously thought he couldn’t, as did others.

There is, of course, a different way of looking at things. Doug Flutie has said that he thinks most NFL coaches aren’t very bright about how to use people who don’t fit their molds, and I suspect that probably is correct. Just look at the way Kurt Warner played when he got the break of a lifetime. Who knew? Apparently not the coaches, or anyone else in the league. So, with Chip Kelly, who seems to be a maverick of a coach philosophically, maybe something different will happen for Tebow.

I heard a different analysis yesterday, that Chip Kelley has enough hubris to believe that the magic is in his system and not in the talent of the players. This analyst thought that he might be getting too much into a “plug and play” mentality and disregarding the benefit of flat out talent. It’s just tough to be an NFL QB if you can’t throw. Ask Jake Locker (and I have a soft spot for him). He could never throw accurately either and he’s still better than Tebow.

You just never know what’s going on in Chip Kelly’s head. Here in Eugene we learned to put our hands over our eyes and hope for the best. It’s always entertaining if nothing else.

Flutie might have fit today’s league better because he was a running QB in a non-running QB era. But he’s genuinely small for the position. I’ve stood next to him.

I think generally coaches have their systems and need players who fit and that these systems generally mirror what has been successful because most coaches aren’t that imaginative. And I think football encourages this because you can be successful if you can get a team to block and tackle and get on and off the field in the proper formations.

I just don’t understand why anyone cares about Tebow, let alone why they care so much about him that sports radio talks about him all the time. I can place some in the Kardashian vein: he’s famous because he’s famous. He became more famous than similar absolute busts of Heisman winners - which is a very long list, particularly of QBs - I think for two main reasons and the main one being not the religion stuff but that the Florida offense revolved more around him than similarly successful Heisman winners teams revolved around them. Tebow was completely identified in the popular mind as the reason for Florida’s winning, much more than any QB would be at Alabama or LSU. There have been other popularity bubbles about QB’s - e.g., Terrelle Pryor, Jameis Winston, and, before them, Cam Newton and Vince Young - but Pryor and Winston have had legal issues and Vince Young played enough that people lost interest and Cam Newton lit up the league with huge passing numbers but now he’s somewhere in the middle of NFL QB’s so no one thinks about him. From that I assume if Tebow played regularly like he did in Denver, which mostly was about as bad as it gets in the NFL, then no one would care about him at all. But there hasn’t been closure and there’s the fact the team won - with a fantastic defensive effort - and then the Steelers stupidly and stubbornly refused to play any safeties back in the playoffs and it looked like the Mad Bomber Daryl Lamonica returned from the 70’s to whump their butts and, of course, people forget the next week NE made Tebow look absolutely awful again. So I would say he’s like Kim Kardashian except she married the big star and that cemented her when the other track, going steadily downward into obscurity, was the obvious other course.

Well, there is no disputing that the accuracy requirements of NFL quarterbacks is in the rarified air. I am always amazed at how remarkably accurate the best ones are, and that’s even after giving some credit when the receiver makes small adjustments to the ball flight.

I like watching football but I’m not a particularly knowledgeable viewer these days. I’ve been trying to read up a bit on the spread and the read option running game, and I think I’m beginning to understand some of it.

Tebow had ratings of about 82 and 72 in the two years he had significant participation and I took a look at last years QB stats, which reveals that those are pretty low ratings. Of the QBs who were among the top ten in attempts, there were only two with ratings below 90.

I suppose the real question is whether Tebow has progressed or not.

I saw/heard/read about him at the NE camp and he’d made a number of adjustments that looked better at the start of camp but which went away under scrimmage pressure.