<p>Dude, better athletics than DUKE? Seriously? Duke basketball? We’re not even close to their level in anything except hockey, where we are better.</p>
<p>Recruiting for banking? I’ve actually heard Duke is better.</p>
<p>Academics I’ve heard were a wash… Why do you give us the edge?</p>
<p>I’d pick Cornell solely on location, though, but that’s just me. I don’t want to live in the South.</p>
<p>The weather? I dress the same as I did in Southern California; it’s just more uncomfortable outside.</p>
<p>In terms of prestige, a great resource is to see what colleges schools view as their peers. This is a really great interactive data sheet
[Who</a> Does Your College Think Its Peers Are? - Administration - The Chronicle of Higher Education](<a href=“http://chronicle.com/article/Peers-Interactive-Data/134262/]Who”>Who Does Your College Think Its Peers Are?)</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the article doesn’t have the data of what schools Duke chose, but you can see who picked Duke. Comparing Cornell and Duke, you see that Stanford, University of Chicago, MIT, CalTech, Yale, and UPenn all chose Cornell and did not select Duke.</p>
<p>Chelsea gets it. Well done Chelsea. </p>
<p>You want Duke? Go to Duke. Let some pimply high schooler with the 4.0 donned in Cornell regalia with Mcgraw tower as his desktop background have “slightly” better odds. </p>
<p>Saugus, I’m not interested in what you’ve heard, I’m interested in what I know. And if you’re going to Cornell and want to do banking, love where you are son. Enough said.</p>
<p>Are we disadvantaged for OCR by our size at all? I’ve heard it’s tough from Cornell these past couple of years.</p>
<p>
You do realize that according to this graphic, all the Ivies basically picked each other and all the strong engineering schools picked the other strong engineering schools? The determinations of “peer groups” here was done by examining how many web pages affiliated with a particular institution linked to those of another school; if there was enough cross-pollination, they are labeled “peer schools”.</p>
<p>Duke is neither an Ivy League nor a comprehensive engineering school like Cornell so its affiliated web links aren’t going to correspond much to the rest of the Ivies or Stanford. This says nothing about Duke’s quality or that of Northwestern, JHU, CalTech, Berkeley, etc.; these schools just belong to a different athletic conference.</p>
<p>Might as well give prestige to them, though, since Cornell wins in rankings that actually directly measure that.</p>
<p>^
Link to that? Prestige is subjective. Congrats on your Duke acceptance, by the way.</p>
<p>I went to Cornell, while my brother went to Duke. So maybe I can chime in here re: recruitment into elite jobs. (banking, consulting, trading)</p>
<p>Cornell and Duke are nearly identical for banking recruiting. However, Duke is much stronger than Cornell in consulting recruiting, by a huge margin. Firms like McKinsey, Bain, BCG, Monitor, Marakon, or Parthenon don’t even recruit at Cornell, while all these firms recruit pretty extensively at Duke.</p>
<p>If I was set on entering banking/ consulting, I’d pick Duke over Cornell for two reasons: 1) Cornell has more students per class, and hence, more competition for the limited OCR jobs by each elite employer compared to smaller schools such as Duke, Dartmouth, Brown, etc, 2) Duke is much stronger than Cornell in consulting recruitment. </p>
<p>All this being said, at either school, you will need a 3.7+ GPA, competitive internships, and a lot of drive/hunger to network aggressively to successfully land a top banking/consulting job. All this is easier said than done, so it is pretty dumb, in my opinion, to choose between these two schools solely based on your estimate as to which school would boost your chances of ending up at Wall St.</p>
<p>Lastly, don’t underestimate the importance of interviewing/ people skills in landing top business jobs. I know people with near 4.0 GPA’s at Cornell in engineering who got zero offers from I-banks, while some of my friends who went to state school, majored in ‘easy’ major such as business/finance, kept networking like their life depended on it, and kept honing their interviewing/people skills ended up at top Wall St jobs. Going to a top school just gives you a better shot at making it to the first round interview. The rest is up to you.</p>
<p>^
Why does size matter if they are nearly identical? Do you mean identical in the number of jobs offered?</p>
<p>School size matters because, Goldman Sachs I-banking division may give up to 24 slots for first round, at each college they recruit at. At Cornell, there may be 500-600 students fighting tooth and nail to get into that first round interview slot.</p>
<p>At Duke or Dartmouth, there may be 200-300 students fighting to get into that first round interview slot, not 500-600.</p>
<p>Once you clear first round, from second round interviews, you are not just competing against your peers at Cornell, but all other applicants from all other schools. From this point on, where you went to school doesn’t matter.</p>
<p>Not to mention, since Duke/Dartmouth has stronger consulting recruiting than Cornell, more students may be diluted in I-banking applicant pool, meaning less people may apply to banking in first place. (and they go strictly for consulting) At Cornell, most ambitious kids with half decent grades will all apply to banking jobs since the other ‘prestigious’ business industry - consulting - doesn’t really recruit at Cornell much at all.</p>
<p>But, as I said earlier, you will have to do exceptionally well at school and have top notch internships, coming from either Duke or Cornell, to have any shot at landing a banking job, especially in this economy. For the majority of students, this delta in recruiting level between Cornell and other top school shouldn’t matter at all, since it is highly unlikely that these people will end up at banking no matter what college they end up at.</p>
<p>The flip side to what NYULawyer posted is that due to Cornell’s size, employers maybe more willing to travel to Ithaca to recruit. I take that into consideration when there is a limited budget for recruiting. For employers, they get a lot of bang their bucks by recruiting at Cornell. This is not as obvious when you compare Cornell and Duke, but it is the case between Cornell vs Williams, Haverford, Pomona or other top tier smaller schools.</p>
<p>goldenboy8784</p>
<p>I have no idea where you got the idea that peer schools were determined by links on their websites. According to the article, colleges provide the Department of Education each year with a list of their peers schools:
“Each year colleges submit “comparison groups” to the U.S. Department of Education to get feedback on how their institution stacks up in terms of finances, enrollment, and other measures tabulated in the Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System. The groups sometimes represent a college’s actual peers but more often reveal their aspirations.”</p>
<p>Also, prestige does not necessarily equate with academic quality. The ivy league is much more than just an athletic conference. As a member of an ivy league institution, students can attend many pan-ivy conferences and Cornell students have access to Columbia’s library when in NYC. In terms of the ivy league schools choosing each other, this just reflects that the ivy league is a prestigious unit. If you disregard Cornell’s ivy league status and engineering program, why did UChicago choose Cornell, but not Duke. Duke is a great school and I have nothing against it. A lot of people on here like to discredit Cornell, when it is very well respected and has amazing programs.</p>
<p>Chelsea gets it again. I’m starting to like it. I hope it is a she. </p>
<p>Many fail to grasp it as more than just an athletic conference. Why do people think so many non-athletic types pride themselves as being in the Ivy League? Why do you think Cornell was selected to be a part of the Ivy League compared to everyone else out there? Cornell regarded on an entirely different level than Duke.</p>
<p>unibames;
My son is a junior at Stern NYU and is not able to find an internship for the upcoming summer. Finance and Economics is his major. We are so stressed out are so stressed out and not sure what to do. I know you are talking about Cornell and while reading I thought doesnt hurt to ask if you can guide what all we can do. BTW my daughter will be applying for ED for engineering at Cornell coming fall. Any guidance is appreciated.</p>
<p>Niceparent:</p>
<p>Hey niceparent. Since we are looking at the immediate, summer, 3 months away, Ill start with what he should do that he should do now. First, have him look up various boutique banks or smaller scale PE shops in NYC. Have him go straight to their office. Or he can cold call and cold email his resume. But by showing up to the office will demonstrate confidence. Recommend this for him. Polished shoes, well groomed/dressed, and resume in hand. I don’t know your son but I know NYU and they have great recruiting and street cred. If he knows his stuff (ie. Finance) he will land an internship. I can’t promise it will be a paid one. But the resume padding and experience is what matters. A friend of mine was in a similar situation this summer. He found a place called JH Darbie on Wall St. Not a brand name. But have him check them out.</p>
<p>And going forward, remind him he’s in NYC. Have him network to his last breath. Its crucial to break into the finance industry. If he’s really brave, have him hold up a sign where Wall Street, broad and Nassau intersect, something like “NYU Stern student looking for summer internship.”</p>
<p>As for your daughter. Send me a message with more about her. Happy to help.</p>
<p>@Unibames; Thanks you so much!! I have already talked to my son and asked him to follow your advice, hope something positive will come out of it.
My daughter is an IB student, who is good in Math and physics but not sure what to do but leaning towards Engineering. Her SAT scores were math 800, WR 710, CR 690 We have heard that Cornell is very inclined towards IB students, not sure how true is that. You have already been through the admission process what would you suggest for her. </p>
<p>thanks</p>
<p>what is there to do in Ithaca for entertainment?</p>
<p>niceparent:</p>
<p>You’re welcome. Let me know how it works out with your son. Cornell does indeed have a soft spot for IB students. I suggest she apply for Engineering and Arts and Science Mathematics as it is clearly her strength. I think she’ll do well in the Admissions process. Let me know if I can help.</p>
<p>pdslove1:</p>
<p>Ithaca has quite the checkered history. Look it up. When you’re at Cornell though that makes up the most of your entertainment through events and such. You’ll never get bored here unless you’re the most socially-awkward person alive, and even then it’s hard to get bored here.</p>
<p>My rule of thumb here:</p>
<p>For parties, drinking, go to collegetown.
For dates, I go to downtown commons. Is beautiful.</p>
<ol>
<li><p>You mentioned that some specializations will allow you to sleepwalk through Cornell AEM. What specializations in AEM will help challenge and give you a great and world class education? </p></li>
<li><p>Also, I am debating between applying early to Wharton and Dyson. I would like to break into Wall Street, and people seem to believe Wharton>>>Dyson for that, but I love Cornell’s campus infinitely more than Penn’s. If someone had the ability to make it to Wall Street, would choosing Dyson over Wharton hurt their chances in any way? (Oldfort, you seem to think it is Wharton hands down, so if you could give a reason for why that is, especially considering your child has gotten an internship while attending Cornell, I would appreciate it)</p></li>
<li><p>How hard is it to get a minor or double major (in something like Informational Sciences, Communication, or even Biological Sciences)?</p></li>
<li><p>How difficult is the curriculum at Dyson? I’m also considering to law school, and I would like to keep a high GPA, while still having a good time and doing some extracurricular activities. Would it be too difficult to maintain a 3.7+ GPA at Dyson while trying to challenge myself academically and participate in clubs and other extracurriculars (as in, how doable is it and could I still maintain a social life at the same time?)</p></li>
<li><p>Finally, how is Dyson for other areas of business (marketing in particular)?</p></li>
</ol>