There are some people posting here who I hope never go someplace like Disney World. If everyone there started punching or trying to kill anyone who pushes, shoves, gives dirty looks or mouths off to other people in the crowd at opening and closing, they would have to just rename the place Fight Club with a Mouse.
Seriously, there seem to people who haven’t ever been in an overcrowded place before if they think every movement is meant to be an attack deserving of mortal defense.
http://ktla.com/2016/03/13/hatchet-wielding-masked-man-killed-by-7-eleven-customer-in-seattle-area/
This 7-Eleven employee is alive this morning because a customer pulled out a weapon and shot the attacker instead of running away or calling police. At times defending is certainly appropriate
The NC sheriff wanted to charge the speaker with inciting a riot (as I previously thought should happen)but legal council told him there was not enough behavior to do that.
So if these are events that require a ticket and you have been given a ticket can you then yell and shout against the speaker? I wonder if the ticket has " rules of allowed behavior" on it?
It is not too difficult to understand.
People can argue, mouth off etc. BUT and it is a real big BUT know to keep your distance and keep your hands off of other people’s persons. Give the person a stern warning to stay back and if they do not listen, one must assume that they mean bodily harm until proven otherwise. Also try to walk away, but if the person continues at you, assume he means harm.
Who in the world stands there are and lets someone else push them around while waiting for security or lets someone approach his wife and kids with in a threatening manner? No one I know.
Thank you for proving my point.
The art is in knowing when NOT to engage.
There’s a huge difference between being vigilant and ready to respond should the situation arises, and looking for opportunities to respond.
I am truly surprised at the number of posters here who support crybullies.
What do you mean “crybullies”?
Do you mean bullies who pretend to be babies?
What is a crybully? Here’s one description:
Someone who uses the perceived righteousness of a social justice cause as a pretext to abuse others, and then plays the victim when confronted about that abuse.
Here’s another:
The victimocracy’s foot soldier is the crybully. The crybully is the abuser who pretends to be a victim. His arguments are his feelings. He comes armored in identity politics entitlement and is always yelling about social justice or crying social justice tears.
If you don’t fight back, the crybully bullies you. If you fight back, the crybully cries and demands a safe space because you made him feel unsafe.
Lions form a pride, crows gather into a murder and crybullies cringe into a crymob. The crymob demands a safe space because free speech and dissent makes its crybullies feel very unsafe.
Crymobs will “safebait” by yelling and pushing and then whining that the people they’re shoving make them feel unsafe. One crybully safebaiting tactic is to yell loudly, forcing anyone talking back to them to raise their voice. That’s when other crybullies begin shouting, “Don’t yell at her.” Crybullies will push into you and cry that you’re making them feel unsafe. They will hit you and when you raise your hands in self-defense, they will scream that you’re putting your hands on them. (All these safebaiting tactics and more can be seen in the Missouri video.)
Crybullies don’t think this behavior is dishonest because their pain privilege entitles them to tone police you, but you can’t tone police them. Their sweet social justice tears give them the right to yell at you, shove you or hit you. Crying over social justice gives them a license to bully everyone else.
If crybullies can’t safebait you, they will manufacture threats by faking hate crimes against themselves or phoning in bomb threats to validate their need for a safe space in which no one is allowed to disagree with them. Surviving their own fake crimes turns crybullies into social justice heroes.
It’s impossible to have a rational conversation with a crybully because it doesn’t walk to talk to you; it wants to loudly broadcast its feelings. As one Yale crybully wrote, “I don’t want to debate. I want to talk about my pain.” My pain. Me. Stop arguing with me and start paying attention to me right now.
So, the speaker here is a crybully? That’s weird I’d never heard of the term and thought you’d invented the word. 
Of course one could argue both proponents and opponents of the speaker are “crybullies”. And a real bully could easily call “crybully” anyone they want to silence (most speakers think they’re telling it as it is and it’s an inconvenient truth to others, so that pretty much anyone could be called a crybully.)
Anyway, this thread is about police response but I think it’s run its course.
You lost me at ‘perceived’. Must be nice to live in your world.
MYOS, the “crybully” term is a made-up word of the right. It gets lots of play on certain blogs, etc. If you Google “The victimocracy’s foot soldier is the crybully” you’ll find it everywhere. The OP’s description above is from the urban dictionary; he didn’t come up with it.
Hmmm. I’m not aware of this “personal space” law, either. I know about assault, which requires unwanted touching. But I’m not familiar with a law that entitles you to hit somebody who gets too close to you.
That being said, rushing the stage is wrong, and probably against the law. I don’t condone that at all. But the fact that somebody rushed the stage doesn’t justify punching out somebody who didn’t do that. The sucker punch case involved a guy who was being escorted out by police for disruptive shouting. As far as I’ve read, he didn’t punch anybody (although he did flip the bird). He was actually under the control of the police when he was punched, which is what makes this situation so unacceptable. He’s lucky there was video, or he might be the one in jail.
What disturbs me is the escalation of bloodlust and assault. It’s becoming Roman. When do they let loose the lions?
This thread is about police response??? haha!
The thread has logically moved to what people are and are not allowed to do as protesters and the response to their behavior by others. I have certainly learned that freedom of speech is much broader than I imagined (for good or bad) and you cannot decide one guy gets it and another guy doesn’t.
I enjoy challenging my beliefs.
Easy enough to not open the thread if you are not interested. The discussion is civil and helpful.
What distance? At what distance are you allowed to punch/shoot/take me out?
Some here are confusing ‘assault’ with ‘battery’. Battery is when someone punches you. Assault is when someone threatens to punch you and has his fist close to your face but never touches you. Both are crimes. And I think self-defense would apply in both situations.
This is not rocket science. It is is simple - do not be stupid enough to think you can target me or my family and come toward us in a threatening manner. If you never do that, you never have to worry. You do that, worry - because by law you are the aggressor and can be stopped. Hint - do not be an aggressor, and you never have to worry.
Also by law, if you are approaching someone in a threatening manner and walk or run toward them and do not stop when they tell you, then you are fair game. Yell at your heart’s content, but do not be stupid enough to ADVANCE toward them, as if you are going to do harm. That is all the law requires to stop you cold - the feeling that one is in imminent danger.
In short, our family believes that victimhood is not a virtue and anyone stupid enough to approach us in a threatening manner deserves what is coming to them because we never approach anyone in a threatening manner and extricate ourselves if there is even hint of trouble.
Other people are not worth the trouble; we simply ignore them and go the other way. But, if the person (or persons) continue to target us and advance toward us, then I suggest they worry because we are not going to stand there and find out too late that we have become victims. We believe in preventing ourselves from being victims.
This post illustrates an important distinction re the issue of Disney World crowds or crowded areas and what I posted previously. I was very clear in that the situations I was addressing someone was being an aggressor who was targeting me or my family and did not stop advancing toward us when told to stop.
And as for someone who has been to three Disney Worlds (blew off the one Japan) and who has attended 100,000 plus people concerts at the Berlin Wall, I can tell you that being pushed in a crowd is par for the course of any large event. Why someone would have to even explain that difference is silly, as that is physics at work and once the momentum of a crowd starts moving, there is no stopping it. However, in those cases, people ARE NOT being aggressors or targeting anyone, they are part of the energy wave that is the crowd.
The dynamic surely changes though if someone starts to target. to push, and to be an aggressor toward a specific person in the crowd and does not stop when told to, as one then crosses the line into assault or battery territory. Again, this is not rocket science.