At least 9 dead in church shooting in SC

I don’t know how credible/respected USA Today polls are, but according to this article, even after the shooting incident, only 42% of Americans view the Confederate flag as racist.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/06/30/usa-today-suffolk-poll-confederate-flag-gun-control/29500975/

The latest casualty of the Confederate flag debate for us is my son’s relationship with his gf of six months. He has been banned from her father’s house for taking a stand against the flag. I told him that she could come visit him at our house despite coming from a racist family (something she freely admits).

S1’s roommate and best friend at college is African American, born in Seattle though his parents immigrated long after the Selma days.

Burn the Confederate flag? Go for it. I personally would have been racially attacked during that time.

I get it, freedom of expression. However, when will it turn into a bigger issue? Once people get used to American flag burners, the anti-Americans won’t get much attention; they’ll move on to figuratively bigger things.

If they, with their trivial protests, manage to incite the government into becoming less respectful of freedoms and liberties and more oppressive, they may gain more support than they have now (which is trivial) due to people becoming less willing to support the government and more willing to support its opponents.

Yes, burning (their own) flags is a trivial matter compared to violent political activity, such as the murder case that is the original topic of the thread, or the arson and suspected-arson cases of burned down churches recently. Of course, murder and arson are illegal and severely punished if one is convicted whether or not the motives are political.

Thanks for that video link, jym626. “God don’t like ugly” no sirree! :))

Well, for those who use this as a benchmark of decency and good taste, it looks like Bo and Luke have fallen.

http://www.komonews.com/news/entertainment/TV-Land-pulls-Dukes-of-Hazzard-reruns-over-Confederate-flag-311326591.html

I come from a military family and I’ll be damned if my brother-in-law gave his life and many more in my family gave decades of their lives for people to be deported for having and exercising their freedom of speech.

Burning a flag might infuriate some but it is not impeding on the liberties of others.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/06/30/suspect-arrested-after-racist-message-discovered-outside-church/

Ugh . . . that’s certainly no help

No it isn’t: it furthers the unfortunate but already-existing meme in certain circles that all the recent burnings of black churches in the South are supposedly “hoaxes” resulting from black people burning their own churches to whip up racial tensions.

Re: http://www.komonews.com/news/entertainment/TV-Land-pulls-Dukes-of-Hazzard-reruns-over-Confederate-flag-311326591.html

Looks like they made the common mistake of referring to the CSA battle flag (that is on the [car’s roof](http://cdn.streetlegaltv.com/files/2011/05/Eubanks2.jpg)) as the “stars and bars”, which generally describes the [CSA first national flag](Flags of the Confederate States of America - Wikipedia).

Lol, do kids nowadays even know of the origin of the eponymous “Daisy Dukes”?

I wish Walmart would stop selling Daisy Dukes :wink:

I see Daisy Dukes shopping in Walmart all the time.

Yes, and Dylann Roof was just a black man in white face. Just move along, nothing to see here… 8-|

Was DOH a real show that people watched? It always struck me as the kind of show people laughed at. Like a fictional Honey Boo Boo.

I never watched it (my family and friends in NC didn’t watch it either - too insulting). However, a friend of mine who immigrated from Viet Nam swears he learned English from watching the DOH.

New CNN/ORC poll on the Charleston shootings and what the CSA flag symbolizes.

Question 23 on what the CSA flag symbolizes:



Group                   Southern        Racism  Both    Neither
                        Pride

All                     57%             33%      5%      5%

Black                   17%             72%      7%      4%
White                   66%             25%      3%      6%
Non-white               40%             46%      8%      4%

Liberal                 34%             55%      7%      4%
Moderate                60%             29%      5%      5%
Conservative            71%             20%      2%      6%

Democrat                34%             58%      4%      3%
Independent             60%             27%      6%      6%
Republican              77%             14%      1%      8%

Urban                   47%             42%      5%      5%
Suburban                56%             34%      4%      5%
Rural                   74%             14%      5%      7%


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/07/01/confederate.flag.pdf
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/02/politics/confederate-flag-poll-racism-southern-pride/

Well those numbers pretty much tell the story of the power of denial, don’t they? I guess that is why Fox News was so shameless in insisting that those shootings were motivated by “Anti-Christian” ideology, and not by the blatant racism Dylann Roof readily admitted was his raison d’être. If contemporary Germany had such sonic levels of cognitive disconnect and self-serving denial, there would be those flying the Nazi flag today while insisting it had “nothing to do” with the killing of all those Jews and “undesirables”.

pizzagirl, there weren’t a lot of viewing choices back in the 70s. 17-20 million viewers can’t be wrong.