Baltimore this weekend

Put six officers in jail. Fire the rest of the police force. Yep, that should bring Baltimorgue’s murder rate down…

What makes you think that mayor and that city council could even manage to hire a new police department? It seems to me that Baltimore had a long history of incompetent, corrupt government.

I was thinking today that it takes a lot of gall to announce a Presidential run based solely on the terrific job you’ve been doing in Baltimore and Maryland. Spread the policies that have worked so well in Baltimore to the rest of the country. What a platform!

What’s even more amazing, is that people will completely fall for it. Because really, all you need is good hair. What else counts?

Some people here may be unfamiliar with Baltimore neighborhoods. This is one section of the city. The rest of the city is doing fine and the police are still patrolling and protecting. Baltimore is still a city of neighborhoods and they still need cops for baseball, in the inner harbor, downtown on the Block (strip clubs), in Little Italy. Still plenty of policing going on, just not foot patrols and single car responses in West Balt. I don’t know how many businesses remained open in this section but not as many as before May 1.

Wall Street Journal op-ed today by a policing expert from the think-tank that developed “community policing”. Baltimore is a national problem.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-new-nationwide-crime-wave-1432938425

Apparently community policing that has resulted in two decades of declining crime rates has been unravelling:

I live just north of Baltimore city and lived in the city for years. Most of my friends live in the city. There are homicides east of I83 too but the majority remain in the west. According to the Sun homicide map, they appear to be in about the same percentage east/west that occurred prior to charges. My first apartment back in the early 80s was on the west side, near the thick of it. I am typically in the city at least a couple of times a week and there is no evidence of the violence in the areas I frequent.

Have the police stopped reporting to work, or have they just begun to demure at the kind of personal initiative that looks likely to find them either being carried by six or judged by twelve?

Most jobs, if you declined to risk your life due to poor work conditions and were fired for it, the government would be only too happy to lend you some of their lawyers. Get your job back, any pay in arrears, and put your employer busy upgrading your work environment.

I’m amazed when (I think) I hear people blaming the police’s lack of effort for the increased incidence of shooting and crime. Those who think that way must also think people will act like dangerous animals without someone with a gun keeping them in check, right? I don’t. I expected the enraged community to come together and create an environment they want to live in. Apparently, it is still someone else’s fault when people in the neighborhood go berserk.

Well, @Bay, it still is.

It is difficult for others to understand. Unless you live in those neighborhood.

Los Angeles police reformed. It took years, but it improved and is better than it was. Baltimore will need to do the same.

https://www.nytimes.com/books/98/02/08/home/rodney-report.html

http://www.citylab.com/politics/2015/05/lapds-police-reforms-and-the-legacy-of-rodney-king/392000/

Sounds like LA is managing to accomplish the reform. Hopefully Baltimore can do it quickly enough before thousands of people die, but I think it’s going to have to start with top leadership being replaced.

According to the WSJ article posted earlier, by mid-May, shootings and other violent felonies in Los Angeles had spiked by 25%, and compared with last year, shooting victims in South Central LA are up 100%, unfortunately.

Maybe the Baltimore police department can replace its current police force with the unemployed or underemployed social science graduates who will have the opportunity to apply all the theories they learned in school to the real world.

^^^^ That is an excellent idea. Solves two problems at once.

Except most people aren’t willing to risk their lives for such a job.

Bummer about LA. Here I’d thought rhey had the answer.

I wouldn’t write off LA’s efforts at police reform.

I don’t subscribe to WSJ so wasn’t able to read the story…don’t know what its sources are.

But this indicates a reason why violent felonies are up:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-violent-crime-los-angeles-20150324-story.html

Crime statistics, except for homicides, are so easily manipulated by how they’re reported and classified.

How bad will it have to get before the military is called in to patrol the streets in the bad neighborhoods?

RCP has a working link to the WSJ article. Failing that, it can be googled with a sentence or two.

The article doesn’t list sources for each of these but I think they’re easily found. As are pieces that dismiss them as irrelevant to the matter at hand.

I think the quote below, while accurate, needs a qualifier.

Poverty being taken into account, it is still a choice to blame someone else and to not take responsibility for what one could do to improves one’s own lot.

My dad taught me this, quite instructively, back in the mid-70s. He was contacted by some government program to join in a public-private partnership thing to clean up and renovate a lower income area. He took me along, as little boy, on the survey trip with the government officials.

To make a long story short, my Dad after about 10 minutes in the area turned to the group and declined to join the effort. The group was kind of taken aback because they were hoping for his help. It led to a rather philosophical discussion that the government bureaucrats clearly were lost on, but I got it.

My Dad said this (paraphrased), “I do not mind helping people who could use it, but I help people who want to be helped, not those who expect help by basically abdicating things that they should be doing.” He then pointed out that all the yards in the three block area were a total mess. Trash all over the yards etc. The bureaucrats pointed out that people are poor. My Dad asked, “So poverty makes you throw your trash in your own yard? If that is the case, why in the X and Y immigrant neighborhoods, which were just as poor, the yards and the streets are spotless?” The silence waiting for a response was deafening. In short, the government people had lower expectations of basic behavior from the black neighborhoods - that was obvious.

Dad continued, “I see a many cars parked around here. We passed a neighborhood trash drop-off a quarter mile back, why are these people not even putting their trash in their cars and taking it there?” Additionally, “I see lots of dirty porches and window sills. Why are the people not taking the personal effort to at least clean their own front door area and windows? That is not someone else’s responsibility, but they do not even do that.”

Basically, my Dad was pointing out that his money would be wasted because the people did not even care about their own environs to keep it clean, so his money would just go down the drain in a year or less.

He told me that the problem is deeper than money and that this poor area will be there in 50 years because the government thinks that giving people money to do nothing only teaches them to expect someone else to solve their life issues, such as cleaning their own front yard. And the dependency extends from there, i.e., people excuse bad behavior from their neighbors and family, all as an excuse of poverty. (Dad is an advocate that welfare should be attached to basic work responsibility, e.g., give them a job doing something to improve their neighborhood, and parents taking responsibility that their kids go to school etc.)

Then he said, the immigrant neighborhoods, which were just as poor, will be gone in 10 years, just like they always are, as their kids stay in school etc. and their families do not make excuses for anything less.

40+ years later, it is scary how accurate he was. The poor black neighborhood is still there, actually a little bit larger, even though government has spent gods knows how much money. In the other poor neighborhoods, where government spends relatively little money, the poor immigrant kids from Africa, Vietnam, and other places are all gone and 90%+ went to college and grads school. And they did this while attending the exact same crappy public schools.

There is no magic going on here - different behavior begets different results.

^I have said many of the same things your father did, awcntdb. And so much more. One would think that people studying these matters and going into public service/policy making would realize these things.

^^But that would be “blaming the victim” which is a politically incorrect thing to do, even if it is true.