This is wild - Mich State estimated as non-tuition expenses as $34k/year? That doesn’t feel right comparatively to the other numbers and schools. Wonder if Mich State understood the data question when submitting the info to P & Q - LOL.
Is anyone else just frustrated with this process and discouraged…things just don’t seem to be going our way. We have been patiently approaching this with the trust the process plan…didn’t get DA in first round to Mich State, seems like because his personal essay didn’t address business or major. If that was the criteria, why didn’t they request a supplement…he had plenty of essays written about it. Vent over.
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It does take patience and can be frustrating. Where have you been admitted so far? What is outstanding?
Have you been told this or are just assuming ?
No one knows why they didn’t get accepted somewhere or at a certain level. I can’t imagine it’s for the reason stated.
If he’s a strong student, he’ll pass the hurdle. Of course there’s also great DA b schools he can still apply and get into.
Good luck.
I agree with you on MSU. Going into applications I was considering MSU a safety for my son but we didn’t know about the newer direct admit process. I do think their secondary pathway is achievable vs other Big 10 schools.
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Agree that you never know for sure, but a couple who got DA mentioned their essays (some had lower GPAs, and tests aren’t considered so TO doesn’t matter). I don’t know - its a theory.
Pitt - DA Business School
Indiana - waiting on Kelley petition
Michigan State - wait for 2nd round
Elon - accepted, pre-business, no DA
South Carolina - deferred, waiting for reg dec
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Good luck.
Is this the first year of Michigan State doing secondary admission? Appears so from the website.
Looks like you have 4 great acceptances and two assured for business - so hopefully he can love all those. I’m personally a fan of direct admit but obviously many are willing to “take a chance” or schools wouldn’t have enough students for the secondary. I always wonder - what if students just said no to this option…would schools change? Alas, we’ll never know.
Best of luck…and with U of SC.
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Yes, options for sure. His #1 was Wisconsin; was kind of hoping for the MSU DA invite win after that disappointment; but not meant for him at this time. Good luck…
It’s worth noting … we don’t actually know how MSU has calculated our kids’ GPAs. The Broad rep said at Green & White Days “we take the GPA admissions gives to us, we don’t get involved in how it’s calculated.” There was an article in the MSU school paper a while back saying admissions recalculates your gpa based on how students from your high school with similar stats have performed at MSU. Talk about a metric that is out of your control …
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Here’s the article:
Interesting…thanks for sharing and did not know this!
Kind of related, but does anyone have any insights into UIUC ACES as a business alternative? My kiddo went for Engineering and was denied, so he couldn’t put Gies as his second choice. Since November he has changed his focus to business and is in at Iowa and Indiana (pre-business) He is also currently deferred at Purdue for engineering but with business as his second choice. The transfer process to Gies comes with risk but any more so than say a standard admit at IU? Just curious if anyone has thoughts about ACES vs some of these other B10 business schools?
I don’t know how easy it is to transfer from ACES to Gies. I expect it’s easier to transfer from DGS to Gies, and that some proportion of Gies transfer slots are reserved for students coming from DGS. Some Gies slots are also reserved for transfers coming from CCs. Intercollegiate Transfer (ICT) | Gies College of Business | UIUC
Gies is much smaller than Kelley, ~750 students per class vs ~2,500 per class at Kelley, so I would think easier to get into Kelley in standard admit. (IU and UIUC have similar size undergrad populations ~35K)
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Thanks! Interesting thought on DGS. He has a visit coming up and I am hopeful he can get a bit more insight into both ACES and the transfer process.
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We are certainly considering it. My kid got into ACES at Illinois, along with IU Kelley and Purdue Daniels (he also got into Iowa Tippie but that is not a finalist). We plan to visit each of the three and see what he prefers.
I don’t think you should consider ACES if you plan to try and transfer out to Gies. You are very likely going to be out of luck. UIUC makes transferring into Gies or Granger from other colleges next to impossible from everything I hear.
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Sounds like a similar list! We enjoyed our visit to Purdue and Iowa, so it will be interesting to see how the UI visit goes. He has a few others outside of the B10 he is still considering as well, UTK Haslam and Iowa State Ivy. They are not B10, but have their appeal to him. Trying to narrow this down is difficult!
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Similar situation here, but if your kid wants to be in a business major he needs to be in a business major. ACES has some quasi-business majors but not business. The closest one is Agri-Accounting which pretty much follows the accounting major in Gies. You can go on the website and see sample 4 year plans to compare. I’ve noticed kids in agri-accounting typically add a Masters in accounting to make up for the “agri” undergrad.
UIUC will tell you to “just add a business minor.” Depending on what your kid wants to do in business, I’m not sure how that looks on a resume to recruiters…probably not great.
Transfer to Gies is next to impossible BUT not impossible.
I guess you have to ask, do you want the major or the school?
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ACES does have the financial planning major at UIUC, which meets the requirements to sit for the CFP exam. We don’t know what ACES major @tfhf2005’s kid was accepted to though.
Generally, I do agree to take the direct admit to one’s preferred major, if that is an option.
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Its likely the major. He is visiting UIUC soon and will find out more about ACES, but this is really our own fault as the thinking was take a lotto ticket shot on engineering and then b-school as a second. Clearly, I should have found this forum first 
He really didn’t have a good chance at engineering, but honestly didn’t know what he wanted to do. He has good business school options, UTK, Clemson, Iowa, Iowa State, Mizzou, SLU, pre-biz at IU, hopefully Purdue (deferred). None at the level of Gies absent Kelley with the pre-biz tag. First kid in college, so learn as you go. Kid #2 will have a leg up
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He did choose Fin Planning, but is looking more for traditional finance with some STEM elements.
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