Black students at Penn were sent hateful and racist texts from students in Oklahoma.

One of the articles mentioned events that happened in Philadelphia the Wednesday after the election. The graffiti began across the street from my daughter’s k-8 school and proceeded down many blocks. It ended on the block where we used to live (are now 3 blocks away.) Our old neighbor’s suv was the one vandalized and our other neighbor had the graffiti. It is a very diverse block with no prior problems. People were very angry and sad.

And, no, people are not protesting because they lost the election. That is a very tired argument. There have not been “riots” in Philadelphia. There was a flash mob, but that was sadly and extension of the flash mob that happened a few weeks ago at Temple. It had nothing to do with the protests. There are real people at these protests. I have friends who are there and my daughters have friends who are there. No, they are not being paid.

“But an email is not tantamount to violence.”

Tell that to the judge if you sent an e-mail to the president along the lines of what those frat boys in Oklahoma did, you send an e-mail to the president (or even an e-mail talking about the president) and it comes to the authorities attention, you are dead meat. Talk about lynching the president, wanting him dead, and it is treated as a real threat and you will be charged. What this leaves out, too, not surprisingly, is that threats of violence are as much a form of intimidation as actual violence, you are going to spill the beans on some mob type and you get a phone call that says “you know, you have a beautiful wife, be a shame if something bad happened to her” or sent you an e-mail, you wouldn’t think “oh, it is just an e-mail”.

There is a line with free speech of any kind, and it is easy for a white person to see a bunch of yahoos from Oklahoma sending such things, and laugh it off, ha ha isn’t that funny, but it isn’t, because that kind of stuff has led to real violence and blacks like with that. Someone sends me, a white person, a threat of being lynched, I likely would laugh it off, but I don’t have a background where people were routinely lynched either. That anonymous e-mail could very easily be backed up by some angry, stupid people with guns who actually think blacks should be killed, and there is a long history of that kind of violence in our country that didn’t happen hundreds of years ago, either…

And yes, the line is fine sometime. The Nazis marching in Skokie was a fine line, because Skokie had so many holocaust survivors, but there also was the fact that the Nazi’s in this country were powerless and their threat to those in Skokie was minimal, plus the Nazis were out there marching in public, not hiding behind e-mail they thought was anonymous like the cretins in Oklahoma.

As far as what they are protesting, they are protesting that we have elected a president who openly espouses violence, who casually mentions using nuclear weapons as if it was something to joke about, who at the very least has attitudes towards women that reflect the worst of society, not the best, they are protesting a president who has openly (rather then the subtly) appealed to the worst of our society, the racists, the haters, the misogynists and basically told them “go ahead, boys, this is what our America will be”. Even arguing that Trump doesn’t really believe what he says, he set a tone, and it was ugly, it harkened back to Strom Thurmond and the days of Bull Connor, it harkened back to the days when Mike Pence’s state, Indiana, set records for how many blacks were lynched in a year, and times and places where the KKK could openly operate and were proud of being members, and this wasn’t just the deep south (the KKK was very active in Sussex and Warren counties in NJ, more then a few Klan members were in office in the pre WWII era).

What’s to protest? A chief advisor who ran the Breitbart web site, that is one of the most racist, rabid (not to mention peddler of untruth) out there? Rudy Giuliani as Secretatary of State, our head diplomat? Obviously, Trump hasn’t taken office, but what I think they are protesting is that someone got elected who never even should have been running for office (in their eyes), and who represented, not the country they knew or wanted, but a country based in the open hate and bigotry of the past as being ‘normal’.

“Do they not realize that half of the country protested what the country has already become in the proper way…by voting.”

It’s not half, its roughly 26% percent of registered voters. And not the majority of actual voters. :slight_smile:

“Exactly what are they protesting?”
A copy of what I posted elsewhere:

To put the new administration on notice that many people aren’t happy with the rhetoric spewed during the campaign and that if it becomes policy there will be many unhappy campers.

To show unity for and to support those that feel threatened, with reason given what has transpired IMO, by the talk and promised actions.

I think the mistake of people against the protests is assuming that it is being done with the hopes of changing the election results.

Additionally, remember that the right to assemble and protest is a constitutional right. Are you saying you want to take away that constitutional right because it makes you uncomfortable? What is wrong with having an engaged and involved populace? IMO, it is better for democracy and better than voter apathy and a population zoned out on reality tv.

You reap what you sow. If you want to unite the country instead of divide it, a leader should be careful of his rhetoric and inflammatory tweets.

Protesting can have the effect of making it clear to the House of Representatives (2 year term) and Senators up for election in 2018 that the president-elect does not have a mandate. Politicians who need to run for re-election in 2 years can be made aware that going along with policies and Cabinet nominations not supported by the masses is likely to get them voted out. (Therefore we need protests to happen not just in districts and states with Democratic representatives.)

I’ve read that half or more of the protesters arrested so far didn’t vote. I think you need fewer protesters and more voters.

^Would love to see some well regarded reference supporting that. I wonder how they would even know if the people arrested voted or not. Of course, nonvoters still have a constitutional right to protest (peacefully) and I can envision where they might be even more disillusioned.

^^^ “More than 70 percent of the 112 anti-Trump protesters arrested in Portland didn’t vote in Oregon, according to state election records. The other approximately 30 percent did cast a ballot in Oregon.” This is directly from the Kyle Iboshi, KGW blurb. So, it only pertains to Oregon. If you are going to quote statistics, please be clear.

Yes, look it up. A Portland TV station took the names of those arrested, over 100 of them and checked them against the voter lists. They had not voted in Multnomah County. (Portland).

Doesn’t mean they didn’t vote somewhere though, correct?

I was thinking the same thing – they went out and took a poll of all the protestors? Doubt it. Seems counterintuitive to me actually. If you are going to disrupt your life and get out there and protest, you probably cared enough to vote.

True, #8. But it’s unlikely that people from other counties traveled to Portland to take part in supposedly spontaneous demonstrations. (Maybe from just over the Columbia River in Washington, which is fairly close). Still I think the point was made.

There have been many more peaceful protests with no arrests than violent protests. Perhaps turning violent at a protest correlates with not exercising your right to vote. Also, some protesters are not yet 18.

I continue to be puzzled by the people attempting to equate peaceful protesters with people sending racial epithets and people threatening, to individuals’ faces, harm based on them being of different ethnic or religious backgrounds.

@rosered55:
The term you are looking for is disinformation. So basically, faced with the apparent coming out of the woodwork of nastiness that appears to have been emboldened by Trump’s words and actions during the campaign, we have those who want to change the topic and deflect. Racist pigs at some Oklahoma frat sending vicious e-mails? “How come you aren’t commenting on those violent protesters protesting the legal election of Trump”, and saying “that is real violence, why get upset by e-mails?”. It is conflating two very different things (not to mention exaggerating the amount of violence that has happened in the protests, not to mention that some of that violence has been from people supporting Trump, not the main protesters), and trying to equivocate the ugliness of one with the other.

As far as people protesting what a majority of the voters voted for, that isn’t even true, last I checked Hillary won the popular vote, so the only majority Trump got was in the electoral college (I think she won by 500,000 votes), so in a sense they are also protesting that the people’s voice was not heard but rather a gerrymandered and inherently undemocratic electoral college shrug.

No one is condoning the violence of the protests, and the overwhelming majority of them have been peaceful, with the only violence seeming to come from Trump supporters not happy at the protests, and comparing that to the upsurge of ugly, ugly behavior, including little kids, is nothing more than a smokescreen. Reminds me of the Dan Akroyd character when confronted by the unsafe toys he was selling (“You are selling kids a bag full of broken glass as a toy?” “Eh, Why Not? They would only pick it up from the streets, and it wouldn’t even be clean, ours is sterilized” “Your halloween costumes catch fire, and the masks’ eye holes are so small the kids can’t see” “You think that is dangerous? Look at this (her coffee mug), do you know what can happen with this? You can slip and swallow it and choke on it, or it can grow a virus that will kill you, everythign in life is dangerous. Kids get hit by cars all the time, when they can see, so what is the difference with my costumes”).

How does anyone know “half or more of the protesters arrested so far didn’t vote?” That’s the kind of hearsay that turns a few people protesting into that supposed “flash mob.”

Sometimes it really strikes me the range of things people will say on a large forum with the primary focus on the search for education.

Remember, just because someone said it or you read it, doesn’t make it so.

So I had missed the posts that attributed this to Portland. But can you fathom the amount of disinfo and spin working it’s way through our broader consciousness?

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/more-than-half-of-arrested-anti-trump-protesters-didnt-vote/351964445

112 arrested. Names, addresses from the arrests were compared to STATE voter logs by Multnomah County officials. (So it did include all Oregonians, not just Portlanders).
39 did not vote.
36 not registered to vote.
4 underage and not eligible to vote.
33 did vote.

Remember that Oregon has all mail in ballots so there’s no issue of “I had to work” or “I couldn’t get to the polls”.

Eugene Anarchists or whatever they are called now. They used to show up at every peaceful protest or demonstration and wreak havoc. The Battle of Seattle happened due to a handful of Oregon imports. And then, of course, the fingers get pointed to the peaceful demonstrators.

@TatinG Let’s be honest though, part of the allure of protesting is that it’s socially acceptable/popular among younger people. I can’t tell you how many pictures I’ve seen in various news articles of kids taking selfies with others, laughing, and smiling during the protests. Lol…

I’m sure a good majority of protesters have their full heart in the movement, but a significant number are probably just along for the ride.

I’ll agree with you on that, @fractalmstr. There are always hangers-on and bad apples in the bunch but those groups aren’t the ones behind organizing the events and the passion.