You might look at UNLV with a “possibility” of getting to cost with merit aid.
FWIW I like this map on abortion rights… they update it regularly and adds nuance to rules:
Is there a reason you are only looking at state schools. I suspect you should just be looking at what schools give good merit aid - plenty of private schools will be more (or as) affordable for a higher stats kid than OOS state schools (even with merit).
Does Kansas have reciprocity with any other states?
Many people like Colo State and it does give some merit aid, but other Colorado schools are cheaper to start, so with merit come in at a lower price. Mesa in Grand Junction is pretty good, UNC in Greeley, and then there are more in the mountains like Western, Alamosa, Ft. Louis. There is also UC-Colorado Springs that is more urban but still small town. Oh, and Pueblo (CSU).
She could also look at surrounding states if worried about medical access (and not just general liberal v conservative states). Laramie WY is only about 10 miles from Colorado, and only 40 from Ft Collins. Many students do their shopping and get health care in Colorado (my daughter did because the insurance worked better in Colorado with in= network being cheaper). U of Idaho is very close to Washington State.
People have to be airlifted out of Idaho to save their lives (although they are often septic and lose an organ - the AG said, verbatim, that if it’s “just an organ” there can be no exemption ) so it’s one of the last states for s.o who wants a blue state with full health access.
I’m pretty sure University of Minnesota gives in state tuition to students out of state.
Binghamton is almost certainly the most popular SUNY school, especially with out of state students and international students. Bing definitely offers scholarships to OOS students. Other SUNYs are popular but will have fewer out of state kids.
I would not just seek blue state but I would look at the where within the state - to ensure what you want is available.
I know Washington is blue, of course, but would the area near Wash State have abortion access? That’s red country - if you will.
So no matter which state you look at, you might seek deeper.
With yesterday’s vote in Arizona, does the U of A (may be out of budget but may not be) - does it come back into play? Tucson itself is blue.
That vote repealed a total ban, but left a ban after 15 weeks, which is somewhat more restrictive than many other states.
Yes, but other states too have similar - but Florida now 6 weeks.
I’m not female and I’m not going to play politics with it.
But I imagine 15 weeks may be sufficient for some who are concerned with this - can’t say as I’m not OP.
It’s another school that at least today has great merit - but of course costs will likely go up given the budget situation. And the area is quite blue.
But if it fits the OPs criteria, it might be one to keep an eye on.
WOW -that’s amazing. Thanks for passing it along.
I currently attend Grand Valley State University if you have any questions.
With her stats, she would automatically receive in-state tuition plus $3,500. If she can get a 1370 on the SAT, she’d get 8k off plus in-state tuition.
GVSU has smaller classes than a lot of large universities. It is extremely rare to have classes with more than 100 student and in my experience, professors are very accessible. Research is also easily accessible because there is a stronger focus on undergrads. The honors college would provide even smaller classes and nicer housing, but you need to apply to GVSU early and register for housing as soon as you are accepted. The honors college also waives the Gen Ed requirements (the honors college has their own curriculum).
You are right - it’s no where near the $25K - she’d have to win some kind of special scholarship.
And the Honors college is excellent (recognized among regional universities).
We are primarily looking at private (except her in-state safety) but I had completely ignored any state schools -because I thought OOS public schools would not have decent financial or merit aid. But then someone mentioned that sometimes high performing students can get good scholarships at UVM -which is why I asked this question
I think (if she gets in) --she would really PREFER a smaller LAC or maybe technical/STEM/Engineering focused school. She doesn’t want a party school and she really likes collaborative/team environments where she will have contact with her professors.
BUT I thought she’d prefer UVM over UKansas so in case she doesn’t get into any of the private options with decent aid, I wanted to have other alternatives.
According to College Vine (however reliable that is ) - there are a number of really good schools (not Ivy or T20) that have great aid for our financial situation. But they also have 30-50% admission rates (or lower for the reaches)-so I don’t want to bank on admission to any of them (Target: Brandeis, Mount Holyoke, St Olaf, Connecticut College, Reach: Smith, CWR, Davidson, Vassar). Her chances at a Tech/STEM/Engineering are much better (RPI, RIT, WPI) but she’d need to win a robust scholarship at any of them to be able to go. If she pursues Engineering, Olin would likely be a great match -but relatively low admission rates makes that a reach as well.
Editing to add Clark – schools that change lives, and good financial aid.
So -sorry -that was TOO MUCH info…and we are still early in the process (end of Sophomore year). We will get more serious next year. She’s also doing research (and shadowing) so that hopefully will help define the Engineering vs Biology vs. Neuroscience focus.
I love all your ideas – I really, really do. And I’m intimately familiar with 287 But she’d rather go instate than back to her old ‘haunting grounds’.
See this is the type of school I wouldn’t have put on the list because I simply don’t know about it! Appreciate that feedback!
On the MW student exchange, you have these Wisconsin regionals all with ABET accreditation in Mechanical Engineering - you didn’t mention which kind but that’s a good one to base on. If you have ABET, you’re good.
Green Bay, Milwaukee, and Stout are on the list and might work.
The other schools are in states that are no bueno for you.
Stout, btw, is 6246 kids.
Yeah -that will change the picture entirely. In that case, we are just going to look for the best ABET we can afford that will be small and hands on.