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<p>"He is only 19, how many of us have kids similar age… "</p>

<p>Kelowna, Lu Lingzi was 23, the same age as my D! The youngest victim was only 8…</p>

<p>At 19, he is a legal adult and should be treated and tried as one. While I am not against death penalty, I’m inclined to think that if he is found guilty, he should be sent to life in maximum security prison without any chance of parole and any visitations from friends and family. And if he suffers the same fate as Jeffrey Dahmer, I will not shed a tear.</p>

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<p>Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.</p>

<p>Didn’t he commit war against the US by attacking the government in the form of their officials? And on behalf of some terrorism group which has already declared war against us.</p>

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<p>So every cop-killer is a terrorist?</p>

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<p>No. (10 char.)</p>

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<p>Cop’s are not government officials.</p>

<p>According to the state law of Massachusetts, Treason is an extraditable offense. As they’re already talking about the possibility of extradition, it makes sense that it could be considered as treason.</p>

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<p>LOL cops aren’t government officials? OK…</p>

<p>So when you said this:</p>

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<p>which government officials were you talking about?</p>

<p>And when you said this:</p>

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<p>where are you getting the idea that he’s part of a terrorist group? Besides your own fevered imagination, that is.</p>

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<p>The FBI and ATF departments. They were there in force.</p>

<p>Police are not a federal law enforcement, they are civilians in a state and local occupation of security.</p>

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<p>In any case, the fact his older brother went to Russia for 6 months, the fact they were once investigated as having terrorist ties, and the fact that they either had a large support system to help them make all these bombs and acquire equipment, or the 6 months gave him military or terrorist experience which he was able to impart to his brother (thus by association becoming a terrorist) so as to commit terrorism against the citizens of the US.</p>

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<p>Where are you getting the idea that extradition is even a possibility? The crimes were committed in the US, and the suspect was arrested in the US, so no extradition is needed to put him on trial.</p>

<p>(And there are plenty of charges like many counts of murder and attempted murder with enhancements whose conviction will result in life-no-parole that a questionable charge of treason is irrelevant anyway.)</p>

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<p>Admittedly I got the idea of extradition from the News because it was being talked about by pretty much every news agency and not just one.</p>

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<p>I would want the suspect questioned and tried in the US. Why and where would we extradite? Makes no sense. His crimes were committed in the US and that is where he needs to face charges.</p>

<p>Please remember not all of the people talking are thinking or speaking clearly. Many may be sleep deprived and many have little or no legal training. They are not necessarily good resources for info on legal options.</p>

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<p>He would be returned to the country he came from, which in this case would be Russia.</p>

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<p>And why would the US or Russia want to do that?</p>

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<p>The reasons for extradition are manifold. I can’t even begin to scratch the surface on the many reasons of WHY. But I do know that Russia would likely not look kindly towards him and it would also rob him of all rights of being the US.</p>

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<p>Further, he is a US citizen. Even if he immigrated earlier on, I just don’t see why they would extradite an American citizen for a crime committed in the US? Doesn’t make sense to me.</p>

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<p>So everyone who shoots at an FBI or ATF agent is a terrorist? Or just furriners who shoot at FBI/ATF agents?</p>

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<p>Naturalized citizens could lose their citizenship status if they commit certain crimes. It is in his best interests to be tried and sentenced in the US and not in Russia. As I said, Mr. Putin will greet him with a one-way ticket to a nastiest gulag…</p>

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<p>If they attack the FBI or a government official on behalf of another party or with intention to disrupt government, by definition they would be considered terrorists. However terrorism doesn’t require government attack, that would be treason. Terrorism is simply the show of force of significance on behalf of a belief, idea, or third party that attacks the United States citizenry.</p>

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<p>Here is the list of acts that could lead to loss of citizenship:</p>

<p>[INA:</a> ACT 349 - LOSS OF NATIONALITY BY NATIVE-BORN OR NATURALIZED CITIZEN](<a href=“http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-10428.html]INA:”>http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-10428.html)</p>

<p>It is a real stretch to call his act a “treason”, so the most likely scenario that he will remain a US citizen and will be tried and sentenced here. Too bad, a uranium mine in Siberia could use him…</p>

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<p>Grounds for Involuntarily Denaturalization: </p>

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<li>Convicted For An Act Of Treason Against The United States </li>
<li>Holding A Policy Level Position In A Foreign Country </li>
<li>Serving In Your Native Country’s Armed Forces If That Country Is Engaged In Hostilities Or At War With The United States </li>
<li>Serving In Your Native Country’s Armed Forces As An Officer Or A Non-Commissioned Officer </li>
<li>Lying To The USCIS During The Naturalization Process </li>
<li>Refusal To Testify Before Congress About Your Subversive Activities</li>
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