Boston College Transfer Thread - Fall 2019

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Accepted!!! Kinda shocked they took 75/1500+. I was waitlisted last year and my decisions have been completely different this year! Here are my stats for reference:

Year: Entering as Sophomore
School: TCU
Major: Political Science & Philosophy
College GPA: 3.8
HS GPA: 3.75/4.25 weighted
ACT: 29 (30 superscored)
White Male
Tons of ECs + Phenomenal Recs

Also Accepted to: Vanderbilt, Emory
Decision Pending: USC

Vanderbilt has had my heart for as long as I can remember but I’ve definitely got a tough decision to make, wishing you all the best (especially y’all on the waitlist, it’s brutal and I truly hope things work out!)

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@bbfan1927 You wrote, “…Vandy’s business school is not the same caliber as CSOM.”

How about objective data to test your false narrative?

MBA Rankings
Poets & Quants COMPOSITE Rankings
Vandy #26, BC #48

If you want to get more granular, here are the two rankings that are the industry standard:
Bloomberg Businessweek
Vandy #21, BC #59

US News
Vandy #29, BC #43

You meant “…Vandy’s business school is at least the same caliber as CSOM.”

I would be very pleased if my daughter enrolled at BC or one of the other 3 universities.

She made her decision early.

Several on this thread were feeling down, so I let them know a spot might have opened to add some positivity.

I did not even supply my daughter’s university or major/minor. However, people asked, probably in the hopes her spot was their major/minor. All good intentions on their part.

Then, you try to slam my daughter’s decision on a false narrative about a MINOR?

Who does that?

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Good luck to your daughter, bloomfield88. FYI, that data is for MBA programs only. BC’s undergrad business school is #9 in latest P&Q rankings.

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Also, Vandy doesn’t have an undergrad business program.

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@bloomfield88 -

I said “Vandy has a very good psych dept, so I understand the reason for Vandy over BC, but Vandy’s business school is not the same caliber as CSOM.”

Slam? Slam if you don’t mind me saying, that is a overly aggressive and sensitive characterization of my comments which were benign on a platform where all are supposed to exchange facts, opinions and idea’s. But since you bring it up- if you were quoting Graduate programs, you would be correct in your stats quoted, but as the discussion is on Undergrad Business Schools, sorry to disappoint you, but I will stick to my original statement that as an Undergrad Business program, CSOM is superior and I will give you my reasons. 1. My understand is Vandy does not even have a undergrad business school whereas BC has CSOM, which according to USN for 2019 (if you like the source, and you do as you quote it above) ranks BC as #21. As an under grad If you want to study business @ Vandy, you have to study as a minor and not as a major. I could stop there but allow me to continue. 2. In the Northeast, CSOM is highly regarded and recruited for business, and is supported by the data. of hiring and recruiting for Undergrad students. Very little data on Vandy for same. 3.In the Northeast CSOM has a near cult like following of Alumni throughout the financial industry, not much going on there for Vandy.

Further disclosure: I am a Poli Sci Major with a Finance Minor @ CSOM.

**In order to get the US NEWS Undergrad Business School rankings, requires a paid licence.

Good luck with your daughters decision. I am sure she will be happy wherever she goes.

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for those who follow poets and quants. https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/2018/12/12/best-undergraduate-business-schools-2018/4/

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You are trying to compare your undergrad business school to a phantom as if the business Minor at Vanderbilt is taught by some other phantom department, when that’s not the case at all. It is a real business school. It is the Vandy graduate school you must compare to.

Towards the end of her sophomore fall semester, my eldest was asked by one of her Vanderbilt Owen Graduate School of Management professor’s if she would be his Teaching Assistant for the same course in the spring semester. She loved to learn from the MBA professor and be his TA and so does her resume.

Vanderbilt’s business Minor is run by and taught by Vanderbilt’s Owen Graduate School of Management.

So, the MBA rankings do matter.

You can choose whether you want to compare Owen to your undergrad CSOM or your grad CSOM.

If you knew that about Owen running and teaching the undergrads, then what you are really saying is “Vandy’s Owen Graduate School of Management is not the same caliber as CSOM’s undergrad B-School”, because those are the correct departments directing and teaching each school’s business Minors. Good luck with that. Perhaps, this is the most correct comparison for the Minor.

If you want to say well of course the Owen Graduate school is better than our undergraduate school, but CSOM’s undergrad is a direct link to CSOM’s graduate school.

Okay, now you are back to my original point and my tables that I correctly sent on graduate business school rankings, where Vandy is clearly at least of the same caliber as CSOM.

Similarly, you can’t say “Northwestern’s business school is not the same caliber as CSOM.”

Use the term “at least” rather than “not”.

To your other point:
Most of Vanderbilt’s US News Top 20 Academic National Universities brethren (Stanford, Chicago, Duke, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Dartmouth, Northwestern, etc…) and the elite LACs (Williams, Amherst, Pomona, etc…), do not have an undergraduate business school, nor do they offer a business Major.

Every one of these elite colleges could open an undergraduate business school if they desired, but none believe business should be offered as an undergrad Major, though some offer Minors. If elite universities decide to open an undergrad business school, it would not take them long to move up the ranks of undergrad business rankings.

The vast majority of MBA students at the very elite MBA programs were STEM, Humanities or Economics Majors at their undergraduate college. Undergrad business majors are always less than half of the student body at those elite MBA programs, which shows you how these elite business schools think.

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Yes? both have about the same transfer acceptance rate. Brown was my top choice with Chicago being a close second. I probably articulated why I wanted to go to Brown better as opposed to why I wanted to go to BC.

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@summit3 I got into carrol but dont know if I will take my spot gl if you get mine

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@bloomfield88 Sorry but I am not buying into your premises and consequently, I cannot accept your conclusions.

Lets stick to business schools as they currently exist today instead of all the theatricals. For those looking for a top shelf (excuse the pun) undergrad business education and experience with all the ancillary benefits that follow, (like employment) Overall CSOM or any other top business undergrad schools, will get better results relative to schools that do not. For example: My parents have a family friend has a son is a recent Cornell Grad with a history degree, and has little to no job prospects in the business field. He is bright, personable with a good work ethic but he will be the 1st to say, he took the longer path to business. He cannot get a job. So much for elite schools degrees opening doors in business. As for the elite LAC’s who don’t have a Econ degree, I wouldn’t give them an advantage over a CSOM student for job placement upon graduating.

Business students are born not made (Good or bad?) I see it first hand every day. Do you know how to spot the CSOM student? He or she is the one wearing the full suit- even on Saturday. Personally, I don’t buy into the STEM field as better candidates for business schools compared to a undergrad business school graduate. Yes, there are exceptions, but as someone who travels between the school of A&S and the undergrad business schools- YES, there is most definitely a difference in the makeup of a business student compared to a STEM student with an edge to the business student’s overall business acumen. The one area I will concede is graduating with a Econ degree from a top elite school as a candidate for business hiring and opportunity. Econ is as difficult as Chinese Calculus IMHO, And if less than 50% of a given student body @ a top Grad program are business students- that still makes them the largest bloc of students by undergrad degree.

Now back to my finals studying. :smile:

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Folks. Poets and quants list CSOM as number 9 ahead of the likes of Cal and other powerhouses. Vandy doesn’t have a If biz school. It’s a silly comparison.

And when one schoolsays yes and antirhr says no it’s easy to understand disputes like this.

For finance biz theology gov. BC has the the edge. For other things and especially in the Midwest vandy has an Ivy League standing .

It’s like comparing miss Massachusetts vs miss Tennessee. Who someone thinks should win the pageant is subjective. That they are talented and awesome in their own way is not up for debate.

Same with schools like this. Much ado about noting.

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Yes, stick to your narrative. Don’t let facts get in the way of a good narrative.
Vanderbilt does have a business school. It is at least the same caliber as CSOM.

How can it not sink in. Think about your logic.

If Harvard Business School runs and teaches a business minor, you are going to write “Harvard’s business school is not the same caliber as CSOM.” Laughable.

It isn’t like Vanderbilt decided, oh History Professor Smith worked at Target as a kid. Let him teach Marketing. Philosophy Professor Jones’ Dad was an accountant. He can teach Accounting.

No, Vanderbilt’s Owen Graduate School of Management designs the courses and curriculum. Vanderbilt Owen GSM Professors (not TAs either) teach the classes, etc…

You can’t all of the sudden say Vanderbilt’s business school is not the same caliber as CSOM. It obviously, is.

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You guys are seriously arguing over this.

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There is no need to argue. The outcome speaks for itself.

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When someone gets in a and not to b there’s always natural bitterness. And naturally so.

But no reason to bash vandy which is Uber selective or a BC which shares the same attributes, on its own forum.

The bc students aren’t taking this debate to a vandy forum.

Can’t we all just get along. Let’s be happy for everyone’s choices. Have some fun along the way. Plenty of time for the vandy and csom students to compete or more likely partner down the road in their careers. Lol.

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@CatholicKnight Yes, and the outcome could be that someone from Umass Boston’s business school is 10x more successful than either you or @bbfan1927. @bbfan1927 is making BC look like its filled with a bunch of arrogant students. You go to a program that has a top ten ranking, great. Are you yourself a top ten choice for Goldman Sachs to hire? I’d bet my life savings you’re not.

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@zs2019transfer I am a Goldman Sachs alumni, but I run a hedge fund now.
When I was a manager at Merrill and later for Goldman, I flew into the U.S. a couple of times to hire MBAs for my department. That was fun.

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@zs2019transfer you’re right. Statistically speaking, there is a chance a UMass student outperforms a BC student.
I pray that you’ll be accepted to a school that you love and become successful there.

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Accepted as a transfer to the Carroll school of management as an accounting major. I was previously rejected as a freshman applicant last year. I will most likely be rejecting the offer as I do not think I can afford it without a scholarship and have a better offer to Bentley uni. Here are my stats though

Loyola University Maryland
HS GPA: 4.0 weighted
SAT: 1420
College GPA: 3.802 first semester, midterm report GPA was slightly lower
Extracurriculars: College: investment club. HS: Appalachian service trip, hospital junior volunteer for a summer, community service club, campus ministry, NHS, best buddies, THON committee. *Most of my HS extracurriculars occurred summer before senior year and during senior year
White female, middle class background

Was very surprised to have been accepted among the 75, and sad I will most likely be rejecting the offer due to affordability as it is my dream school. Might reapply to do a masters there. Good luck to everybody else though!

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@ZS2019tramsfer. As I am a Poli Sci major, I wouldn’t consider Goldman nor they me. Upon Graduation, I am applying to law school and I will get into a top 10 law school. Since you are the gambling type, do you want to put your life savings on that outcome?