Boyfriend issues

<p>Some advice if you please:
I was using my D’s computer, since mine is in the shop, and read an instant message left up on the screen. I discovered she and her boyfriend spent the night together at a friend’s house whose parents were out of town. We thought she was on a sleepover (well, I guess she was…). They did not have sex, although it seems like they contemplated it. They’ve been dating 3 months and are quite infatuated with each other. They will both be going off to college in the fall at schools several hours apart.</p>

<p>If I say something, I would have to reveal my source, and break whatever trust we have between us (obviously not as much as I thought). Do I bring this out into the open, which would cause WWIII in this family and his, and probably result in them not being allowed to see each other? Or do I have a frank discussion with her about the responsibilities involved in having sex, without revealing what prompted the discussion? We’ve certainly had plenty of them throughout the years. She has always been very opposed to sex before marriage, although I realize that attitude may not persist through college. If she weren’t so close to leaving for school, I would definitely confront her and let her suffer the consequences. But I’m questioning the wisdom of making her life and ours miserable for the next few months, when she will have the freedom to do this in college.
Any advice would be appreciated.</p>

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I think that this is the best approach. Revealing the source of your information may make it harder for her to come to you with a problem. In the context of going away to school soon, you can bring up the topic in a frank and open way. Unless you are with her at every moment of the day, she will make her own choices anyway – I’m sure you’d prefer that she make those choices with some practical info at hand.</p>

<p>anonmom,</p>

<p>I’m not a parent, but I’ll give you my opinion as someone who’s not too far removed from being a teen.</p>

<p>If you tell your daughter you read her IMs, it could be an issue. I, for example, would probably just shrug it off and say, “Yeah, you caught me red-handed.” Not everyone is me, of course. Nor are most teens of that mindset.</p>

<p>Just talk to her and ask her how things are (nonchalantly as possible) and if she seems responsive, maybe offer to take her to an OB/GYN for contraceptives (that is, if you feel okay with that.) If not, just make sure that she’s responsible enough to take care of these things herself. </p>

<p>Again, I’m not a parent. I’m just a 20-something who can remember the experience of helicoptor-parenting and how much it repulsed me.</p>

<p>I would suggest that you make a serious discussion about sexual activity part of the going-off-to-college planning. You will undoubtedly get an “oh mom I know all that” reaction–I certainly did from both kids–but I’ve noticed over the years since (they’re both college juniors now) that they actually seem to have listened. (I just got the bill from my D for “routine tests” done by the health service at her school.)</p>

<p>“What are you going to do if a boyfriend wants to have sex?” “What about if your roommate is having sex with her boyfriend and wants you to leave so she can have him sleep over?” “Do you know what kind of birth control you’d use if you did decide to have sex?” “How would you decide to have sex?” “Are you aware of the consequences of not using condoms even if you are using another method of birth control?” (The pill does not help prevent chlamydia or AIDS, for example.)</p>

<p>You can have that conversation without your D knowing that you’re worried about her BF. </p>

<p>Be aware, too, that girls who expect to be virgins when they marry are MORE likely NOT to use birth control (and therefore have unsafe sex) their first time than those who expect to have premarital sex. (source: <a href=“http://www.plannedparenthood.com/pp2/portal/files/portal/medicalinfo/teensexualhealth/fact-abstinence-education.xml#1096747393743::-5827430299166521369[/url]”>http://www.plannedparenthood.com/pp2/portal/files/portal/medicalinfo/teensexualhealth/fact-abstinence-education.xml#1096747393743::-5827430299166521369&lt;/a&gt;)</p>

<p>I’m a parent and I would be very up-front about it (we’ve always been able to have pretty frank discussions with our S about sex). My approach would be, “I wasn’t snooping, but this IM message was left on your screen… Tell me about it…” No reproach, no accusing, no anger, just wanting to discuss… save the “but you told me you were on a sleepover…” for later in the discussion.</p>

<p>Also, keep in mind:

  • Every kid needs to have a part of his/her life apart from the parents;
  • Most teens your D’s age have had sexual involvements;
  • It’s natural; this whole situation sounds like a normal thing to have happen
  • It’s not a crisis that she told a fib about the sleepover; see the first point above</p>

<p>As someone your daughters age, I have to say it seems pretty naive for you to know she’s infatuated with a guy and to believe they are not contemplating sex. The serious boyfriend is reason alone for the discussion you mention. However, your views on sex at her age are clear in your post so I imagine they are clear to your daughter. That will make it hard for her to be open with you. The fact is most kids her age have had sex, and it would be darn hard to find many that are really going to wait until marriage in our generation. Would you really want her to marry someone she hasn’t determined she is sexually compatible with??? Take a page from my moms book. She always made it clear I could talk about anything with her and not be judged. She has never broken that promise. She gets her values through, but never assumes they will be mine too. All your daughter is likely to do is lie to you and keep doing what she wants if you impose your values. Driving them apart will hurt your relationship and not keep your daughter a virgin for long.</p>

<p>And one more thing… respect her privacy and judgement about this as much as you can, but let her know that you ARE giving her that respect</p>

<p>Most importantly, do not let voices get out of hand. Privacy of the IM is not the issue here; it was left on the screen, so get past that.</p>

<p>suze… good post from the other point of view.</p>

<p>For me, it would be an issue of thinking she was at one house over night, when she was somewhere else…which I had no clue about…</p>

<p>If she was gonna have sex, you don’t need all night (contrary to the movies)…my point is if she wanted to do it at the vacant house then go to the house that was the “cover” she could have…</p>

<p>For me, it would be not knowing where she was and her lying about that. And the boy ( I am assuming) lying to his parents about who was in his home…do you think they agreed to having a minor (if she is under 18) sleeping in their home when they weren’t there?</p>

<p>What kids do is turn it around, they are the dishonest ones, lying to you, and then blaming you if you find out.</p>

<p>Its not the sex, its the honesty, and lying about the whereabouts.</p>

<p>If nothing else, it sounds like you need to verify where your D is spending the night when she is claiming a sleepover, because she is lying</p>

<p>And this boy, well, to me, any guy who encourages a girl to lie to her parents and such, is not a good catch.</p>

<p>what do to now, not sure, but some conversations are in order, about safe sex (even though she says she wants to wait, obviously she is not so sure), and often, behavior that is not intercourse is just as physically dangerous- oral STDs, etc…many kids will do “everything but”, thinking well, if we can’t get pregnant, no worries</p>

<p>and you have found, sadly, your daughter and this guy are dishonest, and if they are dishonest about something as important as where she is sleeping, who really knows what is next, and it shows not great judgement </p>

<p>Another thought…to leave this message up on the computer…hmmm…maybe she is feeling pressure with this boy and doesn’t know how to approach you with it…or it was just an accident</p>

<p>You can approach it as
“okay, you are going off to college, and I know you know everything, but college is different then highschool, and as a mom, I want to share some insight, some tools, some coping mechanisms, etc… I know you have promised yourself you want to wait until marriage for sex, well, that is wonderful, but know that if you don’t, that’s okay. I don’t want you to think i will be all mad and stuff if you do have sex. I just want to make sure you are safe, emotionally and physically…”</p>

<p>At this point, you should have the parents over for dinner, not to talk about the “evening adventure” but to check them out, in a subtle way of coure</p>

<p>You will then see if they are “casual” parents of a boy “boys will be boys type” or parents who have taught their son to respect women, and to show the “kids” that you are paying attention</p>

<p>Again, its the saying she is something at 3 in the morning, and she ain’t there…</p>

<p>You dont’ have to go…WHERE WERE YOU???..but it may be time to renegotiate the rules…</p>

<p>Okay, dearest D, you are about to graduate, and this summer, will be a new thing for all of us, so lets get some ground rules down now about checking in, making plans, etc. You are a great D, and i am proud of you, aso this isn’t a lecture or anything, just a chance to say, well, you are off to college soon, and leaving home, but while you are here, lets make sure we are all on the same page, as adults, about what we expect from each other. For instance, obviouslly i don’t need to approve everything you do, but as a courtesy to your dad and me, you should let us know where you are going, about when you should be home, and iof you are spending the night at a girl friends house, you will give us the number. You dad tells me where he is gonna be, and calls if he is late, i do the same, its just courtesy, so please don’t think its because we don’t trust you (well…) its we call care about each other, and adults just keep in contact, etc…blah blah blah…"</p>

<p>I think all parents of kids should do that, maybe not that formally, but set up limits, boundaries, responisiblities, etc, so everyone is clear and comforatible… </p>

<p>Have Fun</p>

<p>I like Dig’s approach. </p>

<p>Coming from a 20-something, I would resent the “snooping” or anything that smacks of snooping. I also appreciate faith in me as a decision-maker. I made a conscious choice to not drink before age 21, and I can tell you that having a parent who was “open” to underage drinking wasn’t okay - because he assumed that I had been drinking. There’s a lot to be said for respecting the decisions your kids make, believing that they are following through on them, and backing them up. </p>

<p>I’m going to get a lot of flak for this… but, assuming your daughter knows what a condom is and knows that it’s better to use them than to get pregnant, you don’t need the sex talk. What you need is to reassure her that you love her no matter what, but to reinforce the values you’ve taught her. There is nothing wrong with ensuring that she does what is right FOR HER, which often involves not caving into peer pressure - most of which says that college students should be having sex. </p>

<p>As TheDad once said, the choice to have sex includes the choice to not have sex. </p>

<p>Have an open and honest talk with her. If she is religious and would like that in a husband, how would she feel about marrying a virgin if she were not one? How would he feel? Contraception is not foolproof - even if she has a 1% chance of getting pregnant, it’s still a baby, not 1% of a baby. If she were, all precautions aside, to get pregnant, what would she do? Would the guy really stand by her? How would she feel about being the one to put her education on hold, being the one to carry the child, and then being the one to give it up for adoption? How does she feel about abortion - not politically, but if she were to get pregnant? </p>

<p>“What ifs” aside, we can all see that high school relationships aren’t going to last - how would she feel if/when they break up? </p>

<p>If she marries, does she want her husband to be her first? One in a small group of very special, caring men? Her tenth? Twentieth? (As JLauer pointed out, if a woman has sex with a man every year, by the time she marries at age 30, she’s had a lot of partners.) How would he feel about that? How does she feel about not having anything special with her future husband that was unique to him and their relationship?</p>

<p>Condoms are not barriers against all consequences of sex; they might reduce the chances of getting knocked up, but the psyche can still take a beating. Any parent who promotes that idea the the Pill and a visit to the OB-GYN makes sex okay is abdicating her responsibilities as an older, wiser person who has been around the block a few more times. </p>

<p>There are a LOT of influences in the world that would say that sex at age 18 is fine - read Cosmo, consider what her friends are saying or doing, and consider the perception that waiting makes one a frigid prude. There are precious few influences telling teenagers (and adults - trust me!) that sex is a huge decision and that it’s okay to wait.</p>

<p>My two cents. (Okay, you actually got about a quarter out of that one, but I won’t tell the IRS. :slight_smile: )</p>

<p>re sleepover rules.</p>

<p>1) kids have to call from a landline (so you see caller ID) of the house they’re staying at.</p>

<p>2) Parents touch base with the other parents to confirm supervision.</p>

<p>Once we instituted those two rules, the sleepovers became a LOT less frequent.</p>

<p>DUHH</p>

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<p>otherwise - I don’t think you should say you read her IMs, even if they were left open on the PC.</p>

<p>it would be an issue of thinking she was at one house over night, when she was somewhere else…which I had no clue about.</p>

<p>I agree with this
it is a safety issue.
As long as she is living under your roof and you are responsible for her, if you think she is one place & she is another- that is abusing your trust.</p>

<p>and as far as sexual compatibilty goes- I personally think that is a bunch of hooey.
While I wouldnt want to marry anyone who is closeted, or into really wierd stuff, people change over time & I think if you have a good relationship and good communication, you can work what ever out.
I lived with my H for 3 years or so before we got married, and while we have been married for 25 years,- you go through changes, and what you both might have been happy with when you were 25, may be a lot different when you are 45-
I will also say however, that while the older teens now may have a different idea of what constitutes “sex”,- they did not invent it.
Both my mother and my mil had sex before they got married, my MIL was even pg with my H!
( hypocritical twit)
But this is a good opening to further the discussion about sex and relationships and responsiblity that I hope you have been having all along :)</p>

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SO NOT TRUE! Yes, more than half of high school students have had sex, but most of my group of law school friends are waiting for marriage. People in their twenties who just don’t think it’s right until there is a ceremony, certificate, and rings. </p>

<p>Not everyone is doing it. Furthermore, it reminds me of “comeback” lines to use when guys start pressuring you… “Everyone’s doing it.” -> “Then do it with everyone.”</p>

<p>Ariesathena, I’m glad to read your refreshing opinions, especially coming from a younger adult. I think a mother-daughter talk about this should definitely have some morality added to the discussion.</p>

<p>Wow. I’m with CGM and EK on this one, I think the honesty issue is at least as big if not bigger than the sex issue. I would not rat on the boy, but I would talk to her and, yes, even though she is gone in a few months, levy some sort of consequence for the lack of honesty. I would mitigate it somewhat because you read the IM, but I would make it clear that although the reading was inadvertent, the breach of honesty that reading the IM uncovered was so much more serious, that it had to be addressed. I would let all that cool down before I brought up the sexual aspect. Also, I would have it made clear to the young man that although I am not going to tell his parents, the trust that I had in him and my D is gone as a couple - they both lied to me - and that trust will take time to return, ie don’t expect to be received with the same attitude you might have gotten before this occurred. They are still both kids.</p>

<p>Not sure how you know your daughter isn’t having sex.</p>

<p>The “calling from a landline” with caller ID thing can be bypassed. Several years ago my daughter knew someone who travelled 100 miles to spend the night at a bed and breakfast w/ her then boyfriend. She asked a girlfriend, I’ll call her Suzie, to call her parents and then also to call her at the B & B. A two-way call. Suzie did this and remained silent, and the B & B girl was able to convince her parents she was staying at Suzie’s house overnight. </p>

<p>Unfortunately, by allowing our kids to date we open up the possibility that within what we might feel is a very short time, they will begin having sex. That is the way things are these days – look at the examples in television shows and movies geared to their age group, not to mention encouragement by peers. I don’t have any real alternates to suggest, and I’ve also spent time in denial land.</p>

<p>I am pretty much in agreement here with sjmom and dig. Whether or not you choose to disclose the source of your information (the left-up IM) should be made according to your specific relationship with YOUR daughter. I can see the benefits of both sjmom’s approach AND dig’s, and depending on which of my kids I happened to be dealing with, I might very well use a different approach in each case.</p>

<p>With all due respect, I think citygirlsmom’s response conveys a “direness” to this situation that is simply not there and implications that are not necessarily supported by the events (e.g. “and you have found, sadly, your daughter and this guy are dishonest, and if they are dishonest about something as important as where she is sleeping, who really knows what is next, and it shows not great judgement”). </p>

<p>A teenager “in love” simply doesn’t consider the possible consequences of something like lying about at which home she will be staying for one night. This does not make her a “liar” with a capital L, but rather a very normal h.s. senior who is striving to behave in a more independent way than her parents are ready to experience ;). And a boy who would encourage this??? Well, he’s pretty darn normal too, IMHO. :)</p>

<p>No matter HOW you approach this (whether or not you choose to disclose the source), the MOST important thing is to make sure your D has the information she needs to protect herself if she DOES make the decision to be sexually active. You CAN do this while still infusing your values and preferences for abstinence, if that is your choice, but at least she will be prepared if she decides not to follow your advice.</p>

<p>And about “sleeping together.” Sometimes it is JUST that. My oldest D is not sexually active, but I HAVE allowed her bf to sleep over in the living room on the floor in a separate sleeping bag from her–kinda like camping. This may make me bizarre, but I very much differentiate between teens literally SLEEPING next to each other and teens having SEX with each other. And this may make me even MORE bizarre…I absolutely, completely trust my children–AND their bf’s/gf’s. I know which ones have done what because, amazingly, they feel comfortable TELLING me. And they feel comfortable telling me because THEY TRUST ME and they TRUST MY JUDGMENT, and each of them strives very hard to maintain my respect and trust.</p>

<p>I have found that with my kids, if I have legitimate reasons for something, they listen to me. If you explain to your D WHY it is dangerous for you to think she is at one home when she’s really at another, I’m pretty sure she will understand and respect that.</p>

<p>~berurah</p>

<p>“I think citygirlsmom’s response conveys a “direness” to this situation that is simply not there and implications that are not necessarily supported by the events…”</p>

<p>I agree. I think that while I agree with CGM on most everything, I think this is an overreaction.</p>

<p>This kind of thing struck our family when my D was a junior, and she told me once that she wouldn’t be lying to me if I wasn’t insisting on knowing everything about her life. While it’s naturally to want to know, and to even feel entitled to know because they are under 18 and living in your home, the reality is those are just arbitrary standards we set as a society and are meaningless when it comes to actual human nature. </p>

<p>My D grew up before I was ready for it, and I had to accept it or fight it. I reluctently accepted it and we had a wonderful time together that last year she was home.</p>