<p>Sorry, not joining in so much with the Walt lovefest, and I saw very little redemptive about his character tonight. Sure - part of his raging at Skylar on the phone was for show, but some of it definitely was pure rage. Otherwise, why tell them that they’ll never find Hank’s body? What was the point of that?</p>
<p>Plus, why tell Jesse about Jane? Jesse is being led away to be tortured and killed (all thanks to Walt, who did nothing to stop it from happening - who even ratted Jesse out as he tried to hide under the car.) What was the point of telling him about Jane, if not for pure evilness? Last week some of us thought that Walt might even try to save Jesse, but it’s pretty clear that’s not going to happen.</p>
<p>Was I the only one who thought Walt would kill Skylar when they were wrestling for the knife? Thank goodness for Walt Jr!</p>
<p>And he may not have killed Hank - but he certainly got Hank killed.</p>
<p>Sure, Walt is upset about losing his family, but he’s also upset about losing control of the situation. It’s always been about control, his empire, HIS MONEY, and it’s all slipping away. I was sad to see Hank go but I’m glad Walt’s empire is crumbling around him.</p>
<p>Good grief. I still can’t believe I get so worked up over a TV show.</p>
<p>He didn’t say they wouldn’t find Hank’s body. He said they would never see Hank again. He was telling them Hank was dead without saying anything incriminating. Skylar asked for closure on Hank and he gave it to her. I think he told Jesse about Jane because he held Jesse responsible for Hank and wanted to hurt him. And he was willing to trade his entire empire away to save Hank’s life. I think that meant something. And when he failed, he was done and went over completely. I do think he tried to protect Skylar in the last call. And I wonder if that is the last time they will talk. I wonder if the Ricin, in the end, will be for himself.</p>
<p>Actually, I think his attempt to trade away his money for Hank’s life was just another way to stay in control. Of course, he didn’t want Hank to die, but someone of Walt’s intelligence should know that there was no way that the neonazis were going to let a DEA agent live. (Walt should never have called Todd’s uncle in the first place, but I guess there are a lot of things that Walt should never have done.)</p>
<p>As Hank said: “Youre the smartest guy I ever met. And youre too stupid to see he made up his mind ten minutes ago.”</p>
<p>I am traveling and was at a hotel that doesn’t get AMC last night - torture. I was afraid to even go online for fear of seeing spoilers. I finally got to watch the episode on Amazon Instant Video this morning. Brilliant!!! I did the gasp out loud thing several times and even shouted at my iPad screen twice.</p>
<p>I thought it was well-telegraphed that Walt’s phone conversation with Skyler was for the purpose of making her look more innocent than she is. Largely because the writing and acting made clear he was lying, but in the way good liars lie in real life, not the way people lie on television. Walt’s a great liar. And Cranston’s a great actor, and the writers are pretty great, too. So thrilled with the way this season has progressed - I’m not a bit disappointed.</p>
<p>I really think that’s why Walt collapsed in the desert in a primal scream. With Hank dead in the sand he has crossed the Rubicon and there is no going back.</p>
<p>As for blaming Jesse for Hank’s death…only in Walt’s twisted mind. Jesse isn’t the one who called Todd’s family out to the scene. </p>
<p>Jane’s death and Walt’s role in it was, if I recall, when it was clear that Walt had crossed over from who he was on that first phone call to Skyler to who he was on this last call to Skyler. Jesse and Jane were leaving town together and Jesse would be out of Walt’s control, had Jane lived.</p>
<p>Scout59, no love here for Walt. Just expressing my thoughts on Walt’s possible agenda during his phone conversation with Skyler. I like the good person to win in the end. At the series finale, I would not like a single teen thinking “It pays to break bad. I can get $11 to $80 million out of it.” If I had my way, Walt and the Nazi clan would be the ones lying beneath the desert sand while Hank and Gomez rides off into the sunset.</p>
<p>Walt was always going to die. It’s really just a question of how – by the hand of others, by his own hand or by the cancer. The good guys already lost last night. There may be some justice, but the good guys are not going to win.</p>
<p>Loved the title reference to the Shelley sonnet. Brilliant.</p>
<p>Ozymandias
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
“My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.</p>
<p>No, once I saw him putting on his abusive husband act I knew he took Holly to ensure the police would be on the other end of the line when he called.</p>
<p>There goes my “Being Good is the New Black” ending. Mimk6, do you remember the two hawks (or eagles?) flying over Jesse’s head when he was about to be shot in the head by Todd’s uncle? I like to imagine that the birds are the animal spirits of Hank and Gomez rising to guide and protect Walt Jr. and Holly. However, BB is neither Game of Thrones nor a SyFy show. </p>
<p>However, there are a couple of dogs last night: Jesse on a leash and the lone, stray dog at the end which I guess symbolizes Walt who has no home and family at the end of the day.</p>
I have to question that. I don’t see how Walt, in the immediate aftermath of a violent physical fight with Skyler, would have had the presence of mind to cook up that complex a scheme so quickly. He’s good, but not that good. I think his initial reaction was to punish Skyler for what he saw as her traitorous behavior–particularly her revelation to Flynn–and that he realized how foolish it was when Holly kept calling for her mama. So then he decided to return the baby and protect the family as much as possible.</p>
<p>Y’know, MommaJ, I’ll amend my first post. I actually think Walt took Holly out of the same panic that had him screaming at Flynn and Skyler, “BUT WE’RE A FAMILY!” I think grabbing the baby was his lizard-brain attempt to salvage something of his family, knowing the police could show up any second and he’d never convince the other two to come with him. I think the baby’s “ma-ma” babbling helped him to realize he couldn’t take Holly from her mother and Skyler from her baby.</p>
<p>Really? If Walt hadn’t killed Gus… If Walt hadn’t killed Jane… If Walt hadn’t poisoned Brock.</p>
<p>No one is innocent on “Breaking Bad,” but no one deserves more blame than Walt. After all, if Walt hadn’t started cooking meth - then there wouldn’t be a “Breaking Bad”!</p>
<p>MommaJ, I agree. I think that Walt probably planned to keep Holly until she started calling for her mother. The look on his face when she kept saying Momma over and over…</p>
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<li>cross-posted with Sue22 - I agree!</li>
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<p>After Walt drove off at high speed with Holly in his lap (bashing Skyler’s car to get out of the driveway in the process), yes I definitely thought it was a possibility Holly was not going to come out of this.</p>
Walt had to kill Gus because Jesse went rogue and screwed over what was a perfectly good operation
Jesse is the reason Jane relapsed
Walt wouldn’t have had to poison Brock if Jesse had known his place and not attacked two drug dealers (Which Walt dispatched of) ****ing off Gus
Jesse was cooking meth (aka Broke Bad) long before Walt was in the picture</p>
<p>Think about it, if it had been Walt vs Hank instead of Walt v Hank & CrazyJesse do you think Walt would have ever involved the Aryans? Jesse attempting to burn down his house is what caused their involvement.</p>
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