<p>My brother is currently studying in the University of Southern Australia in Adelaide. He along with 7 other Indian students failed in one practical and 2 subjects. The interesting thing is at least my brother followed exactly the same procedures as his fellow Australian students. And the subject in which he failed, were where he had to give a lecture on a subject and another where he had to submit a bunch of assignments. </p>
<p>Its interesting that only the Indian students have failed. Also the reasons given for the failure were very vague, nothing that would show any obvious mistake. The effect of these failures is that all these students have to give these subjects again, which is about AUS $5000 and will loose one year.</p>
<p>My question is that, who can help in these matters. The student adviser has assured that he will go over his assignments, but lecture is something that no one can prove he was right or wrong. Please advise!</p>
<p>What are the reasons.
Keep in mind that universities are very careful about lawsuits and they do their best to not get involved in conflicts (especially those related to discrimination). So, pinpoint the mistake in these students’ class failures before you make a case.</p>
<p>@veslavay: dude youre not helping the poor guy.
at the very least you should be defending your country against discrimination. showing the " so what deal with it" attitude just shows that you support such actions</p>
<p>That’s the thing, I studied in the US and for every exam, there was a very detailed explanation about what points they would consider while evaluating the grades. I have got bad grades but never felt being discriminated.
In this university, the lecturer is not even willing to show his answer sheet/grading sheet. He has to go through his adviser who is very busy.
Now my brother heard from his seniors that this same professor had done the same thing to another Asian, who I think was from Israel. The guy went to the human right commission, who reevaluated all his papers and he passed easily. My brother is not that comfortable doing all this, its so stressful.</p>
<p>Go to the teacher directly before taking it any step further up. If you did not at least attempt to resolve it with the person directly responsible first, it will make your case weaker as you move onward to higher-ups. Make sure to calmly explain to this professor that if a grading sheet is not forthcoming, you will be forced to go to the dean (or whoever is higher up in the chain) with this, and you’d rather not do so.</p>
<p>Document everything you do, every step you take, every request made and response given. You and your brother (and everyone else involved) need to build credibility - or you risk being dismissed as disgruntled grade-grubbers.</p>
<p>dont threaten him that you will go to higher ups. ask him for the issues you had and then tell him to give you some one elses exams to compare with and learn from. if you still think you were mistreated, show the material to who ever makes decisions.</p>
<p>You sound just like a racial preferences supporter. “Plenty of successful Indian students” already does not equate to fairness. The OP definitely had a legit concern.</p>
<p>Just because they are Indian, does NOT mean they have been discriminated. You cannot come out with a blow-the-whistle discrimination approach when a couple of Indian kids out of the thousands upon thousands in Australia don’t get what they wanted.</p>
<p>There is nothing in the OP:s post to suggest the brother and his friends are merely disgruntled sub-par students. Whatever makes you think they “did not deserve it”, it’s all in your own head. </p>
<p>Good luck out there in the world outside of that head, buddy.</p>
<p>Of course it doesn’t. But then so you beg to differ on these observations:</p>
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<p>Look, the OP has substantial grounds to claim discrimination. For one, the professor has a possible reputation due to a past incident. Second, the professor is clearly an inconsistent grader, who doesn’t make his policies clear to the students. In the United States, you are always given a substantial rubric or at the very least, the right to know why you were graded a certain way. Third, why did only Indian students fail?</p>
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<p>And I can throw that assertion right back at you. You cannot definitively conclude that these students were not discriminated against. </p>
<p>Er, you’re an idealist since if you’re criticizing me for being a racial preference supporter, then you want a world free from racial preference.</p>
<p>Therefore, idealist.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, one would think that the “brother” from the same mother is reiterating the facts (not firsthand) through a biased recount.</p>
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<p>Sorry, did I definitely conclude that? I just said you cannot definitively base the outcome on discrimination. I never said that it was definitely not discrimination. </p>
<p>And yes, maybe they did. </p>
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<p>What are you even talking about, whacko?</p>
<p>If only you knew the success I have had in “the world outside my head”. But let’s not give me a chance to brag.</p>
<p>Also, there is NO DOUBT that discrimination occurs, in EVERY country.</p>
<p>It is a fact of life - of human nature. I’m just saying don’t get all huffy-puffy about something that may not be true. You will look ridiculous.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if they were subject to discrimination, then fine, I agree they should deserve what is only fair.</p>
<p>Not quite, but nice try. Some people believe that racial preferences are good for this country, hence Affirmative Action. Racial diversity is an ideal characteristic. Hence, if it’s anybody you should be calling idealistic, it’s the racial preference supporters.</p>
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<p>Miss, you are backpedaling. The fact that you immediately disregarded the OP’s concern as well as made strong statements to the contrary in effect indicated that you came to that conclusion. It’s alright if you don’t believe the OP’s concerns had any merit, but you can’t just backpedal and basically say, “Oh well, maybe he did.” You certainly did indicate a bias before, and you’re not going to wordplay yourself out of this one.</p>
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<p>I’d hate to put words into frrrph’s mouth, but she’s a French person who entered the United States’ education curriculum through a community college, and is transferring to Yale next year. I believe she was the only person on CC to be accepted to Yale as a transfer. Quite frankly, I’m not sure if you can even top that.</p>
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<p>Nobody is getting “huffy-puffy”. Just look at the facts. The OP clearly has a case right in front of him. If you’ve ever experienced the American legal system, it’s that people suspect even the smallest discrepancies. This isn’t even small, it’s just plain obvious.</p>
<p>Wouldn’t that be open to who’s interpreting it?</p>
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<p>I completely did regard the OP’s concern and addressed one aspect of it. And you’re saying that I indicated that conclusion in EFFECT? So it’s not definitively conclusive is it now? Backpedalling… bah! You’re complaining me and my wordplay… jeez</p>
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<p>HAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHH! OMG She transfered to Yale as a transfer! She is success in a nutshell! Please dont talk on behalf of frrrph because you’re EMBARRASSING her. Honestly. </p>
<p>Second of all, you have absolutely no idea who can “top” who. And was that even the matter at hand? You’re going down a completely irrevelant line of argument. Stop being so childish - “I’m not sure if you can even top that”. Toolish thing to say and you know it.</p>
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<p>We’re in Australia on this one. And yes, have you also noticed the fact that in the legal system people are ********ting their way to win cases on the most absurd accusations? I’m just saying there IS the possibility that these guys were NOT discriminated, whereas you HAVE (not I) definitively concluded on something - that they were discriminated. Don’t be the pot calling the kettle black.</p>
<p>As for being a full human being, without some basic respect for the fact that different cultures and races experience your same exact society in different ways - without that respect, and without losing this judgmental, condescending streak of yours, I can’t see you becoming a very mature adult no matter your age. </p>
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<p>All due respect, you are hardly the person to judge whether this may or may not be true. And I’d like to remind you that getting “all huffy-puffy” was one of the first steps of most civil rights movements: discrimination and systematic oppression still exists, and those affected have the right to get heard out and respected. Pettily dismissing discrimination concerns as “huffy-puffy”, I would not call respect.</p>
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<p>And without even knowing the OP or the full details of the situation, why he chose to come to us with it, you arbitrarily seem to already have decided they weren’t?</p>
<p>You ain’t have something nice or at least constructive to say, don’t say it.</p>
<p>I’m sorry, but with your presumptuous, judgemental attitude I don’t think you can qualify that statement. You cannot “definitively conclude” something so absurd as what you just did. You don’t know me, I don’t know you. If you “ain’t have something nice or at least constructive to say, don’t say it” - take your own advice.</p>
<p>I’m saying not to get all huffy-puffy too quickly. Don’t jump the gun. Find out, investigate, then conclude. The whole thing is too vague and circumstantial at the moment. So stop telling me that I’m not empathetic blah blah blah.</p>
<p>Please take your own advice. Please. Don’t tell me who I am and who I can become, because you are in no position to do so.</p>
<p>That’s precisely it, and I’m glad that you were able to recognize that. Thus, your calling me “idealistic” was out of context. Score one for the trap.</p>
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<p>Maybe in Post #13. But come on, don’t you think that’s a little bit too late? Some of us have already called you out long before you started to backpedal. Fine, but at least you should realize that you took a ludicrous stance in the first place.</p>
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<p>Your first and second posts in this thread dismissed the OP’s concerns. If you want, I can copy and paste your own words right here. You basically concluded that the OP was being facetious, and that his brother was not being discriminated against. You can’t just make hollow sentences and then backpedal from them later on. This type of politicking just won’t work.</p>
<p>Look, you made a mistake, and now you’re trying to take back all you’ve said while still trying to keep up this argument. It would be so easy for you to just admit that you were wrong for judging the OP, but you just won’t do it. You conclusively made a judgment on the OP, someone called you out, and you felt you had the need to defend your integrity.</p>
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<p>Hey, you were the one that invoked the discussion of “success”, not me. If you think it’s embarrassing to gain entrance into an elite university as a transfer from a community college, well then quite frankly, I don’t know what to tell you. But let’s be honest here. What do you have that can possibly top that feat? You implied that you were highly “successful”. Well then, let’s hear it. I’ll give you the chance - right now - to brag.</p>
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<p>I don’t think you realize how difficult it is to get into Yale as a transfer. It’s certainly harder than getting into Harvard as a transfer. But more to the point, people can differentiate different types of success, you know. We’re not stupid. I mean come on, you’re equivocating here. Is it really that difficult to ascertain that a Caltech student is “more successful” than some average Joe from Alberta? I most certainly can tell what “success” is. You basically stated that I cannot. Now THAT’S a toolish thing to say.</p>
<p>But hey, you invoked the notion of success. I only responded to it, and now you’re calling it all irrelevant. It’s your fault for leading us down this line of argument.</p>
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<p>Miss, you are spinning. You did NOT claim the exception to the contrary, and if you want, I will copy your first two posts and throw them right back at you. Secondly, I basically said that the OP had a strong case in front of him, which he does. Is that something you deny?</p>
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<p>Uh, too vague and circumstantial? Like how the professor clearly discriminated in the past against an Asian student? Or how ONLY Indian students failed the assignment? Oh yes, REALLY vague indeed.</p>
<p>And besides, what’s up with your first post in this thread? I don’t know about you, but that certainly didn’t show a lot of empathy at all. I don’t know how you were showing empathy when you told the OP to “get a grip”. So much for your advice: “Don’t jump the gun. Find out, investigate, then conclude.” I don’t know what you think, but to tell the OP’s “brothers” that they would’ve been “better back at home” hardly qualifies as that sort of advice to me.</p>
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<p>I’m sorry vesalvay. frrrph is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. You know, we have thing here in America, where you can say whatever you want without others telling you that “you are in no position to do so.” If her judgment from your posts was wrong well, then they’re wrong. But if you can’t back yourself up with something better well, then posters are more likely to believe her as they have eyes and ears. It’s a funny thing, democracy.</p>
<p>Hahahahahahha you are the biggest bull sh at artist in the world. Keep spinning that BS. I’m laughing so hard at what you said, that I can’t give a reply right now! hahahahaha</p>