<p>Personally, I think it’s more likely that conservatives will sit out instead of voting for McCain than that liberals will sit out. No, I can’t back that up with documentation. Just a gut feeling.</p>
<p>So now it’s the Not-So-New Democratic Party? </p>
<p>Reordering stationery is going to get expensive.</p>
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<p>Take it up with DNC member Donna Brazille. “New Democratic Party” is her term. She described it as built on black voters and college students. She said that the New Democratic Party doesn’t need white working voters or Latinos.</p>
<p>So, be it.</p>
<p>I’m talking about how you’re using it.</p>
<p>“Obama has more skeletons in the closet.”</p>
<p>More than who?</p>
<p>The definition of a self-fulfilling prophecy: Obama will lose against McCain; ergo, we are going to either sit it out or vote for McCain. Ergo, Obama will definitely lose against McCain. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.</p>
<p>Why would one want to bet against such an obvious and engineered scenario?</p>
<p>I see all this reference to a ‘new democratic party’. Well, since I changed my affiliation from ‘independent’ to democrat recently to vote for Obama in the primary, I must be part of the ‘new democratic party’. I am at the conservative end of the Democratic spectrum. I like Obama because of his character and centrist appeal. He is not an extreme liberal and people would be foolish to try and paint him as such.</p>
<p>I’m a woman. And a Latina. <em>sniff</em> They don’t want me?</p>
<p>Obama and Hillary are very closely aligned on most of the issues. The exception is that Obama was against Iraq and Hillary voted for it. Does that make him an ultra liberal? Most other policies are pretty darn similar.</p>
<p>I find it amazing that with such similar polices, that Hillary is now old/ good democrat and Obama is “new”/ bad democrat. </p>
<p>How ironic. Obama appeals to a much more diverse population than Hillary.
I think he will appeal to a lot of the less vocal, yet well educated moderates and independents (like vicariousparent).</p>
<p>Donna Brazille, an Obama supporter:</p>
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<p>I was against the war, but I did not have to vote in the Senate. I attended some war rallies during the months and days leading up to the war. Obama did not have to vote for the resolution, and he said so himself that his position was no different from Bush. </p>
<p>It is ironic that the media (especially, MSNBC, and even Oprah) that helped the Bush administration sell the WMD farce to the public are all of a sudden anti war activists. The way MSNBC is pushing Obama reminds me so much of the way they pushed the WMD fiasco. </p>
<p>The media: biggest Sham in town.</p>
<p>^ The media was wrong before. They had Hillary the presumptive nominee for the past two years!</p>
<p>“We don’t have to just rely on” does not mean “we don’t have to rely on.” It means “we can rely on other groups besides…” I don’t see it as a repudiation of working class, whites and Hispanics, especially by someone like Obama who organized among predominantly Black and Hispanic workers.</p>
<p>Finally, Brazile is not an Obama surrogate nor does she speak for the millions of Obama supporters.</p>
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<p>With all due respect as well, this is exactly the stuff that gives so much joy to people (like me) who have truly enjoyed the inner destruction of the Democrat Party in the past 18 months. I still chuckle about all the victory talks and especially the “revenge” to come. </p>
<p>Fwiw, I do not think that the Clinton’s supporters (in the image of their fearless leader) should hardly accuse ANYONE of arrogance. The reality is that it is Hillary’s boundless arrogance and sense of entitlement that has caused the voters to see her as she really is. not to mention the despicable human beings she picked as advisers. Her entire campaign can be summarized as arrogant.</p>
<p>At the end, more than 50% of the Democrats rejected her and her 35 years of fabricated experience. And she lost to a virtual unknown. </p>
<p>Regardless of the outcome in November, the demise of Hillary in 2008 has been one the greatest show, and which curtain call will ever so sweet. I could hope for some tears, but that would to too much of an NH encore. :D</p>
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<p>Is this the Brazille quote you’re referring to, Idad?</p>
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<p>Dropping the Clinton blinders for a nanosecond might help you remember that the WMD was front anc enter years before Bush walked in the White House. </p>
<p>One of the biggest “pushers” of the WMD problems was President Clinton. Was was his justification again to bomb Iraq before 2001? Later on, the story was corroborated by a certain Junior Senator from New York … as long as lobbing missiles from a safe distance was safe and our destruction of Iraq was perfect for CNN night shows.</p>
<p>Clinton is NOT going to drop out of the race today.</p>
<p>Clinton is NOT going to ‘concede’ to Obama today.</p>
<p>Clinton is NOT EVEN going to suspend her campaign today.</p>
<p>Clinton is DEFINITELY NOT going to endorse Obama today.</p>
<p>She is just going to point out what AP News has already projected- that Obama today has the delegates to win the nomination. </p>
<p>She will probably wait until the convention to endorse him (tepidly).</p>
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<p>I think Curmudgeon has the right of it. The only thing I see right now is if the Republican core and the Republican fundraising machine just cannot support McCain, and if Clinton is the running mate. I think it was Poetsheart who started another thread by saying she was not thrilled by any of the candidates, and I think a lot of people feel that way, on wither side of the center.</p>
<p>It is telling that I remember threads from 4 years ago when lots of earnest well-meaning liberal Dems from such areas as suburban Portland and Seattle would post on here about how they couldn’t imagine George W winning re-election - “they just didn’t see ANY bumperstickers for Bush”. Wake up and smell the coffee! None of us see more than our little swath of current reality, but history tells us very strongly that Curmudgeon has something, and I don’t think this year will be different. I can see the ads now.</p>
<p>I can’t stand Hillary Clinton. And I don’t think Obama is a radical. I’m just a realist. IMO he can’t win this race, this time against McCain. He has been radicalized in the minds of swing voters. When we started the campaign I had fairly bubba-esque clients (Bill Clinton/G.W.B voters) saying positive things about him. Not now. It’ll be a red November.</p>
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<p>This just in: Apparently it’s been confirmed that Hillary Clinton has said that she would be open to being Barack Obama’s Vice Presidential running mate:eek:</p>