<p>My son is a first year at UVA. He took AP Calc AB (and scored a 5) his junior year in HS and received credit from UVA for that class. Because he may major in math, he decided he should take Calc 1 at UVA to make sure he had the best posible base for Calc 2, and because it had been a while since he took it in HS. It seemed like a good decision as he had to work quite hard to earn an A- this term. Now in looking at his grades on Colab, he says the A- isn’t being counted towards his GPA. He understood that he would forfeit the AP credit for Calc by taking Calc 1 at UVA, but shouldn’t the grade he earned this term be counted towards his GPA? If so, who should he talk with to straighten it out?</p>
<p>Did he do the paperwork to forfeit the AP credit prior to matriculation? Meaning before he entered UVA-first day of classes in August.</p>
<p>If he did, then have him contact his Association Dean. If he did not, then there is nothing he can do. </p>
<p>Also, just an FYI, official grades are in SIS under the grades drop down box, not in Collab.</p>
<p>No, he did not. How would he know to do that and why would that be necessary?</p>
<p>Here is the link:
[Advanced</a> Placement (AP) Exam Credit | The Undergraduate College of Arts & Sciences, U.Va.](<a href=“http://college.artsandsciences.virginia.edu/ap-credit]Advanced”>http://college.artsandsciences.virginia.edu/ap-credit)</p>
<p>Why would he not have asked ahead of time when he registered for courses this summer? You certainly cannot presume that you can get AP credit, take the course at UVa and they will just say okay you did well here is your grade. Think of the logic behind that one. It is called double dipping for credit which no college allows, not just UVa. </p>
<p>This is from the AP link above at the bottom of the page:
Will I receive credit for a course I take at the University if I already have Advanced Placement credit for it, or if I have been exempted without credit?
No. If you take such a course here, you must waive your Advanced Placement credit. If you have placed out of a course (without having received credit), you may not take that course for degree credit. Consult your Association Dean during Fall Orientation about special circumstances.</p>
<p>First of all, I appreciate the information. I am not sure I communicated well. He did not expect to “double dip”. He expected that by taking the class at UVA that he was forfeiting the AP credit, and he would have to live with the grade he earned at UVA. Even the passage you cited above is confussing. To me it implies that by registering for the class he has implictly waived his credit. He did the work, assumed the risk associated with taking the class for a grade, why wouldn’t it count towards his GPA? The reason he took it in the first place is that he was warned that Calc 2 is one of the most failed courses at UVA and he wanted to make sure he was building a great foundation for that class.</p>
<p>‘No. If you take such a course here, you must waive your Advanced Placement credit.’</p>
<p>I think that is clearly stated. </p>
<p>Let’s look at the positive, he received an A- which is great, and he now has the foundation for Calc II.</p>
<p>He should have noticed that his overall credit load did not include the 3 credits at some point during the semester.
I would contact the dean and see if there is anything to do. I was a math major and came in with credit for calc 2 and 3 but skipped calc 1. Come graduation time, it said I was not eligible to graduate because I did not have calc 1 credit (this was the first semester of SIS). I contacted my major advisor and she got them to override it. I would just see if there is anything they can do, otherwise pay more attention to your credit loads next time. That kind of stuff can get kids ineligible for financial aid, dean’s list, etc, so make sure to (have your kid actually) verify it when the emails go out about verification for the semester.</p>
<p>Appzilla-- I agree with your interpretation of the website. I also would have assumed that the class taken at UVa would simply replace the AP credit (No one would assume double credit, woosah. Let’s give people a little benefit of the doubt, shall we?). My child at a different university has experienced exactly what appzilla describes – you automatically waive AP credit when you complete the class. It seems that hazelorb’s situation was different than what you are describing, as well.</p>
<p>Please let is know what you find out, appzilla. If indeed some formal process was required, the communication must be improved. I am wondering if it will sort itself out at grades become final.</p>
<p>I was unclear, it’s been three years, on how my son managed this. He’s SEAS and the link is specifically for CLAS, just putting that disclaimer out. I would be surprised if they operate differently. My son had AP credit that he intended to take advantage of, and AP credit he intended to waive/retake the course in SEAS. During summer orientation when he registered for classes he met with an advisor. He had his AP scores (this is before everything was electronic) and had to verify what AP credit he was going to use, what he was going to waive, etc. It was all ironed out that summer. He had AP credit reflected on SIS for the courses he requested, was able to register for the course he waived credit in with no conflict for second semester because no credit was ever awarded.</p>
<p>How did my son know he needed to do this in the summer? By reading the SEAS student handbook online. There’s a lot of useful information in there about AP credit, previously they waived the Chem lab if you had your AP Chem labook for review (no longer the case as of this year), the 15credit rule, etc.</p>
<p>I hope things work out of the OPs son. My son was required to handle AP credit as woosah has explained. Every university is different in their policies, so how any other university handles it is irrelevant. </p>
<p>Lastly, we have some very valuable resources on this board. Hazel and woosah are two excellent examples. Those ‘resourses’ become scarce when you shoot the messenger. Long time posters come here to share their experience, their knowledge, try to be of help, not to get flip responses. Try to separate information you disagree with from personal zaps.</p>
<p>I think how other universities handle things is relevant to the extent that it affects expectations. It is a reasonable expectation that UVa could sort this out without requiring special advisor override or other formal process and the wording referenced is not terribly clear. I would hope that helpful responses would include respect for a posters legitimate question rather than a scolding and accusations of trying to gain some unreasonable advantage. Discouraging future questions is also a danger, no? </p>
<p>I continue to hope the OP will return with how this is resolved as it will surely help future students.</p>
<p>I don’t think woosah was making an accusation, just stating that that’s how it would be interpreted by universities. I think the tone of many of these comments may have been misinterpreted, but as stated above, the good news is that OP’s son got a good grade and the necessary foundation for a very challenging course. I think the link was fairly straightforward, though obviously there should be another way of communicating that information for incoming students.</p>
<p>@blue, thumbs up to your post :)</p>
<p>My S too had the same experience this year, and this was all part of what he worked out with an advisor during Summer orientation, and then verified again with his academic advisor the first week of Fall semester. His was a little more complicated as well because he also had several post-secondary class credits to be considered. He also is in SEAS. In the end, he was advised to take his credits upfront with the knowledge that he could retake without credit/grade if he ever felt the need. But he left summer orientation with a very strong understanding that it wasn’t something that could be worked out or changed later. </p>
<p>I understand the OP’s son’s frustration, however if the goal was to prepare for Calc II it sounds like that goal was still well accomplished. There are so many bigger things to concentrate on than the omission of one 1st year grade towards GPA; in four years it will hardly be a blip on the radar.</p>
<p>[Repeated</a> Courses | The Undergraduate College of Arts & Sciences, U.Va.](<a href=“http://college.artsandsciences.virginia.edu/repeated_courses]Repeated”>http://college.artsandsciences.virginia.edu/repeated_courses)</p>
<p>It appears that the E-school process as described by posters here may differ from the College of Arts and Sciences.</p>
<p>“If a course for which AP credits have been awarded is repeated at the University, the AP credits are disallowed. The repeated course is posted, its credits counting toward graduation and its grade included in the computation of the grade point average.”</p>
<p>Clarifying this process will be very important to students planning on a pre-med track in particular, where retaking AP credit classes is common to fulfill prerequisites at Med Schools which do not accept AP credit.</p>
<p>Thanks for that information/link Mom. We had never seen that page either (don’t even see where you can navigate to it) - but again, S took all his direction on this from his SEAS advisors. So, if the OP’s son is in CLAS, I would think he should definitely go talk to his advisor and ask about this. From that Repeated Courses page it certainly sounds like his situation would in fact remove the AP credits in arrears and count both his grade and credits. Interesting.</p>
<p>Sorry to take so long to follow up. It worked out exactly as Mom2twins suggested. It seems by registering he waived his credits. He contacted the Dean and they straightened it out immediately. Very impressive. While I do think people jump to concussions on this board occasionally, I do appreciate the advice and know that we need to take it with a grain of salt. He was simply taking the class at UVA and forfeiting his AP credits. His course info on SIS showed 4 credits for this class. A simple note to the Dean explaining the situation and the grade for GPA was reflected within hours. Thanks, all.</p>