Campus Scandals and College Admissions: What Applicants Should Know

<p>"Anyone applying to college these days needs to learn about the values of those who will be in charge of their education . . . not just the obvious factors in selecting a university — academics, social life, location, size and so on. Look at the factors that shape academics, that shape the university culture.” </p>

<p>[Edmonds:</a> Why Campus Scandals Matter to College Applicants | TIME Ideas | TIME.com](<a href=“http://ideas.time.com/2012/08/08/campus-scandals-and-college-admissions-what-applicants-need-to-know/]Edmonds:”>Edmonds: Why Campus Scandals Matter to College Applicants | TIME.com)</p>

<p>This is along the lines of why I started the thread about the recently deceased Neil Reed / University Values. That veered into a Bobby Knight is evil, or not, debate for about 30 posts, but I was hoping to provoke a larger discussion of values in educational institutions and elsewhere, and how rising high in such institutions can corrupt values in favor of the instiitution and one’s role in it. I guess I took too long to get there. In any event, I agree that having some sense of the values of the institution is important, though often difficult to ascertain.</p>

<p>The value and culture depend greatly on what particular student will accept. We specifically taold our kid about all kind of bias and certain skewed set of values that prevails at all colleges. We told her to remember where she is coming from and NOT absorb what she would see at college campus. Luckily, she also did not need to take any History/Economy/Political science…etc. classes. She seemed to listen. It is important to filter everything that is around you thru your own family values and it is even more important to stay away from certain events / crowds and that includes certain profs (and their set of values). So, this aspect was definitely not part of D’s selection, she went to college to get her degree so that she could successfully apply to Grad. school and grow personally in a right direction. Both were accomplish and would be accomplish probably at any other UG.</p>

<p>

</p>

<p>I am having trouble seeing what this has to do with the values of an educational institution, unless you are saying that math/science is more objective and the students’ minds won’t be poisoned!</p>

<p>Bogney- I understand your intent with the attack on IU and Knight, but dredging up a 15 year old incident when there are so many more recent issues just doesn’t make sense. In fact, even if IU did participate in a deception and lie started by Knight, they DID put him on zero tolerance when the video surfaced. I have been the Chief Ethics Officer of a Fortune 500 corporation, and what we would say about this is that the controls worked! It’s the same as a corporate theft or ethics breach. If it happens, is discovered relatively quickly and while the damage is small and the controls are tweaked to prevent a reoccurrence, we would say the controls worked. You can not prevent everything.</p>

<p>Well . . . I dredged it up because the unfortunate young man died premaurely, prompting some stories about it. To that extent, it had become current news again. Also, I appreciate your perspective on how corporate controls work, and I agree that in a sense, the controls did work at I.U., though one would have thought the egregious lack of integrity shown by Knight should have been sufficent without some other blow up. You are also quite right that we cannot prevent everything. On the other hand, an ounce of prevention . . . .</p>

<p>I retain sufficient optimism to believe that if people pay attention to the missteps, and how they come about, that perhaps fewer toes will be stepped on moving forward. A cover up is antithetical to integrity, and the latter should be valued much more highly than it currently seems to be. The individual needs to value integrity highly to withstand pressure from both the institution and probable negative consequences to the individual of acting against one’s own interests out of a sense of honor. The honor codes at the various colleges and universties become something of a joke if no one stops to think about what honor and integrity mean and sometimes require. </p>

<p>How can integrity be taught if winning, achievement, and wealth are the highest values, even at programs that are relatively straight like Bobby Knight’s basketball team at IU? Some people say they can find better values through religion, but that was always a dead end for me. Empathy seems to be in dangerously short supply in the world today - that has probably always been the case. Historically, religions have been less than empathetic toward non-believers and those who stray from the path. What helped me become more empathetic were frequent doses Dickens, Twain, and Fielding. Now, there are classes like the justice course taught by the Harvard prof., Michael Sandel, which is available on line. </p>

<p>As parents, do we teach our kids to do what it takes but don’t get caught, or to try to figure out what the right thing to do is, and do that even if you lose a job, or an opportunity. Which is more important, losing your place at HYP or losing your soul? </p>

<p>I don’t think Knight balanced those considerations correctly. Given that the nail he tried to hammer down just died (an amusingly mixed mataphor), it seemed just (to me) to resurrect the Neil Reed affair, even though it is old news. However, here, the OP is stated more broadly (and briefly) and perhaps will draw a more lively discussion.</p>