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<p>He better lose. I think the case is overwhelmingly against him.</p>
<p>You have to factor in that you are talking about a Texas jury…</p>
<p>That’s affirmative action, that’s how we should be scarring the criminals.</p>
<p>so if we just shoot em, we don’t need police or courts?
I didn’t realize that burglary was a capital offense</p>
<p>Where did I mention getting rid of police or courts? do not take my words out of context. Isn’t it funny how states with open gun laws have lower murder rates than where crimes are banned? Perhaps a state such as Texas where killing intruders to protect yourself is legal, burglars might be intimidated.</p>
<p>Burglary may not be a capital offense, but if somebody was breaking into my home while I was sitting inside, I wouldn’t stick my hands up and say “take what you want just don’t hurt me pretty please.” I’d shoot to kill if I felt I was in danger.</p>
<p>Where is there any proof that the shooters property or person was being threatened?
One of the men was shot running down the street according to the 911 caller-was that threatening?</p>
<p>There are not enough facts here to draw any conclusions, imho. We don’t know if the intruders were armed, if someone was home at the house they robbed (“armed robbery”), if they threatened or were headed in the direction of the shooter (they were shot at a range of 15 feet).</p>
<p>NO YOU MUST BE RIGHT, If you witness burglary at your next door neighbors by two suspicious men, you should go make some lemonade go over next door along with some freshly baked cookies and invite them in. </p>
<p>If I were 61 years old and two young men were walking around my neighbors backyard as well as my backyard I would definitely bring out the shotgun. A 61 year old would fear for his life as he is far more susceptible to crime. How is he not threatened? If I were living in a quite little redneck mountain town and I saw 2 burglars possibly attempting to invade MY HOME, there is no doubt I would bring out my shotgun and confront them. If one of them just happens to resist my order to drop what they are doing and get on the ground, I would shoot him right in the face. Many victims are victims because they allow themselves to be victimized. I wouldn’t take crap from any burglar that’s I KNOW has broken into my neighbors home and seems to be approaching my property. What if they are armed and ready to break into your home and kill you.</p>
<p>Is it fair to assume that a 61 year male went looking for trouble? these folks were 15 feet away, perhaps they were heading towards him? What if somebody was inside the home and this man took action, that makes him a hero in my book.</p>
<p>how does he know they were breaking in? scary when people are judge and jury…</p>
<p>my D had a friend who jumped his grandmothers house fence to get into the house,…he forgot the keys…</p>
<p>and according to uri this kid eould be dead</p>
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<li><p>Pennsylvania has open gun laws, and the murder rate here is awful. And it is all, 100%, guns. I would love to see the data on gun “accidents”, too. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people . . . but it happens a lot more frequently when people have guns.</p></li>
<li><p>Texas juries notwithstanding, there isn’t any Texas defense to homicide when you leave your house and go over to a neighbor’s to shoot someone, even if you think he is committing a crime. If I were the prosecutor, I might let him plead to voluntary manslaughter, but I sure wouldn’t want him to walk away clean.</p></li>
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<p>Again, how are you so sure that the 61 year old man ran over to the neighbors looking to hunt someone down? How do we know they weren’t on his property. The lot size and proximity of the next door neighbor’s home could very likely lead a man to believe his home is under invasion, especially an elderly 61 year old man. The only difference between you and I is I am giving the man the benefit of the doubt. </p>
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<p>Read the article, the man heard glass breaking, maybe he went outside and was under the impression the intruders were targeting his property. It is not difficult to understand, if you hear glass shattering, you grab your gun in case you need to protect yourself. I can see the elderly man run out of the home where he confronted the two criminals and had no choice but to shoot. Why are you so convinced this man is the criminal. If the 2 degenerates did not want to die maybe they should not have been burglarizing homes in a state that has open gun policies. </p>
<p>If he did indeed have the sole intention of killing these folks, why would he call 911 and suddenly drop the call and head outside, obviously he felt his safety was at risk.</p>
<p>UriA, your hypotheticals attempting to explain for the guy are getting more and more contrived by the second.</p>
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<p>In 2006, Pennsylvania’s murder rate was 5.9 per 100,000 population. The national average was 5.7. Just over the border in Maryland, the rate was 9.7. Louisiana’s rate was 12.4. I won’t comment on how bad is bad, but Pennsylvania is pretty darned average on this measure.</p>
<p>How do you figure my explanations are contrived. Who are we to judge the persons actions? I was under the impression that’s what courts are for and you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. It is a two way street and there is absolutely no reason to convince yourself that an elderly man ran out with his shot gun with the sole intention of killing.</p>
<p>As I have always said, I refuse to subject this man to a complete character assassination due to the one journalists outlook on the situation. I have only taken the facts into consideration. It is unfair to label this man anything when charges have not even been filed against him.</p>
<p>It does state he did cooperate with police, there was a large bag containing large sums of cash which Mr. Horn did not touch after killing these men. </p>
<p>As the case unfolds I will make a decision on whether the man is guilty of sin or not, but at this point I find it irresponsible to consider him a murderer.</p>
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<p>The beauty of not being a court of law is that I am allowed to prejudge (in my own mind, and for my own personal purposes) whether or not I think someone is guilty.</p>
<p>You obviously don’t think he is guilty, otherwise you wouldn’t be posting so many absurdly contrived possibilities. I happen to think he is, but I’m also not making a final decision on that until the court case is concluded, obviously. The difference is, I’m not apologizing for him in a transparently absurd attempt to make sure he’s “presumed innocent”.</p>
<p>As for the “I’m gonna kill 'em” comment, I doubt there is a person writing on this page who hasn’t at one time or another made that exact statement in anger.</p>
<p>While holding a gun?</p>
<p>He is presumed innocent that is our law. I am not attempting anything, you are entitled to your opinion as I am. The option that he is guilty is evident, he got upset that the men were conducting these activities in his neighborhood and took the law into his own hands. However, something leads me to believe that since no charges have even been filed against him there is more to the story than that reporter wishes to write.</p>
<p>Regardless, I don’t think a Texas Jury will get him. Hopefully they can find ssmething uncons. about Texas’s law or something or get a mistrial and bring it up to the Federal courts. They will def. throw this guy in prison and throw away the keys/</p>
<p>BTW, if you look at 9-1-1 transcripts which are public, it is evident that the robbers were running away and he didn’t wan’t want them to get away with it. Unfornately, when I was reading TEXAS LAW Texas is one of the few states that says in the castle doctrine, that whether or not you felt safe could not be used by a fact finder (court) against you. However, speaking non-legally, it looked like a murder of choice. And it was murder, no self-defense.</p>
<p>READ THE TRANSCRIPT. HE WAS NOT IN DANGER. It may be reasonable to believe he was in danger if you know nothing of the case and see two robbers. But if you read the transcript it’s blaringly obvious he was not in danger.</p>
<p>Although this is pure conjecture, I bet if the two robbers were white this guy wouldn’t have brought out the shotgun and shot anyone. Since I hate this guy more than the robber niow, I hope they can find some kkk group in his background and make this a federal hate crime so we can avoid the courts of the “republic of texas”</p>