<p>*the father himself, even the suicide note of his “failing her”…people kill themselves when they can’t forgive themselves. *</p>
<p>there have been fathers who have committed suicide after their children were murdered or died in tragic accidents (which the dad was not responsible for). Some men take in very deeply and personally that they (the men of the household) have the responsibility to protect the members. They view any such deaths as a failure on their parts to “protect”. </p>
<p>There was a dad who hung himself from a tree in the cemetery where his son was buried. The dad was not the least bit responsible for the son’s death, but he felt that he had failed to protect his son from the tragedy that befell him.</p>
<p>"Okay, I kept an open mind and watched as much as I could, with my daughter, and we both think that her father killed the girl. We think Casey acts like an incest survivor and that her father is a creep.</p>
<p>She is obviously awful, but the father is the one who did it, imho"</p>
<p>Gosh. You must have been watching a different trial than me. ;)</p>
<p>She certainly acts like an incest victim, and I’m even willing to make the leap that that would cause her to be a compulsive liar, but I can’t stretch my imagination far enough not to see her as guilty.</p>
<p>I was horrified by a report that ABC news paid Casey Anthony $215,000 for information/materials about the case before she was charged with the murder of her daughter. What has happened to the world?! I thought only news organizations of the National Inquirer’s ilk practiced checkbook journalism, not ones that aspired to be considered respectable. If that money went to Casey’s defense fund, I am assuming Biaz ended up with it – and the taxpayers are not footing her entire defense bill – or it expecting too much?</p>
<p>The taxpayers are not paying for her defense. They are paying only for defense expenses (expert witnesses, etc). The parents paid over $100,000 towards a defense retainer early on, with ABC and other money. It is said the defense likely signed an agreement for a percentage of any profits to come later (books, movies, etc).</p>
<p>My husband said that he is quite certain that he heard on TV that Baez is being paid by the state. He does not know how the other lawyers for the defense are being paid.</p>
<p>I didn’t know there were any new organizations anymore that aspired to be respectable. Well, I take that back. NPR, PRI, and the CSM. And sometimes the BBC.</p>
<p>*My husband said that he is quite certain that he heard on TV that Baez is being paid by the state. He does not know how the other lawyers for the defense are being paid. *</p>
<p>All the defense attys are being paid for by the state.</p>
<p>Supposedly the way it worked was this. Some wealthy attys each put in some money at the beginning to fund her case. Of course, that money was quickly spent. At that point, the state starts to pay.</p>
<p>It’s kind of game that is sometimes used to avoid getting “public defenders”. This round-about way you get to choose your atty, pay for a bit, then declare poverty and then the state pays them.</p>
<p>Same happened with Scott Peterson. Once his parents couldn’t pay anymore, the gov’t had to pay. </p>
<p>Quote:
You must have been watching a different trial than me.
I probably was.</p>
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<p>*I wasn’t watching that much of it, actually, since I was working most of the time, and only caught some of it. *</p>
<p>Ahhh…that’s explains it. I don’t think anyone who had watched a good part of it would think that Geo did it.</p>
<p>Casey is certainly capable of doing all kinds of bad things…all by herself. This is a girl who was told to make a $4k cash deposit into her parents’ bank acct. Instead, she created a phony - but realistic looking - bank receipt, presented it to her parents to show that she had made the deposit (a lie), and then later when the parents realized that the money was never deposited, she came up with a story that she had been held up at gunpoint at her job and the money was taken at that time…</p>
<p>“Once his parents couldn’t pay anymore, the gov’t had to pay.”</p>
<p>At least in my state, the government won’t just pay whatever the attorneys want to charge. You can’t charge a $30 million defense to the state. I can’t imagine that Florida is unusually generous to criminal defendants on this matter (or any other).</p>
<p>Once again, the state of FLORIDA is NOT paying the salaries of the defense team The state is paying only for defense COSTS, which include experts, investigators, and certain expert travel expenses. Now, those costs were recently estimated to be over $100,000 to date. But the attorneys are NOT being paid BY THE HOUR OR BY THE WEEK etc for their services. They are not. They received money up front, and have reported signed for a percentage of money made off of future earnings but their time is NOT being paid for by the state.</p>
<p>I live here in Florida and when Circuit Judge Strickland declared Casey Anthony indigent and eligible for state funding of major defense costs, he never ruled that the attorneys salaries would be covered. Reports otherwise are INACCURATE. Defense “costs” do not include the actual attorney fees.</p>
<p>We should all remember that the jury hasn’t seen all of the material that has been broadcast. They are sometimes sent out of the room while the attorneys argue in front of the judge. (Actually, I’ve been watching the video feeds over the internet, so I’m not even sure I’m seeing the same stuff as those who are watching on TV are seeing.)</p>
<p>*“Once his parents couldn’t pay anymore, the gov’t had to pay.”</p>
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<p>At least in my state, the government won’t just pay whatever the attorneys want to charge. You can’t charge a $30 million defense to the state. I can’t imagine that Florida is unusually generous to criminal defendants on this matter (or any other). *</p>
<p>Very true…there is a set rate. But, by doing it this way, the defendant doesn’t have to take a public defender…he/she can have private counsel.</p>
<p>Mark Geragos explained all this after Scott’s trial. He and others on his team were paid an hourly rate (not great) after the parents’ money ran out.</p>
<p>I don’t have enough to convince me at all that Casey was a victim of incest. Like I’ve mentioned before, my parents were in and out of court for years due to false abuse allegations from my sister. My family has lived through what George and Lee are going through now in terms of those allegations. My sister lied like she breathed, but nobody ever laid a hand on her-- she was just born that way and had been completely incorrigible from birth. I guess when you’ve seen that kind of thing it’s easier to believe when you see it again. I’m not saying Casey ISN’T a victim of incest, but I’m not going to take her word for it just because she and her family are crazy and dysfunctional. So are we-- and my dad is a real piece of work, but my parents are not abusers and never have been. Sometimes, people are just seriously, seriously sick. My sister ended up getting married and doing the same thing to her husband.</p>
<p>Then again, the jury is sometimes seeing stuff that we don’t see. Here’s an item from the Christian Science Monitor:</p>
<p>“As Karioth [the grief counselor witness] continued her testimony, Casey Anthony’s eyes turned red. Soon she had a Kleenex out and began dabbing tears away. What made that reaction particularly striking to many observers is that only a few hours earlier she had sat at the defense table cold and expressionless – appearing almost bored – as her father, George Anthony, sobbed on the witness stand while describing his decision to try to kill himself in January 2009 because of his own grief over the loss of his granddaughter, Caylee.”</p>
I don’t think anyone who had watched a good part of it would think that Geo did it.</p>