Casey Anthony?

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So, she looks happy when facing a release from jail. Crazy people can look happy sometimes. Victims of childhood abuse can look happy sometimes. Parents who have lost children can look happy sometimes. With or without therapy, all of these can look happy sometimes.

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<p>Check out [Jared</a> Loughner](<a href=“Now court STOPS forced medication of Tucson shooter | Daily Mail Online”>Now court STOPS forced medication of Tucson shooter | Daily Mail Online). He IS crazy and happy as a clam… </p>

<p>Smiling means nothing. Nor do looks. How many people miss suicidal teens???</p>

[cartera45]

<p>She was happy from day one that she was able to free herself from her daughter. She’s happy now because she got away with it. She had to be surprised at the verdict. I think most guilty people expect to be convicted.</p>

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She was happy from day one that she was able to free herself from her daughter. She’s happy now because she got away with it. She had to be surprised at the verdict. I think most guilty people expect to be convicted.

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<p>That 's a whole lot of assuming…</p>

[poetgrl]

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I think that Casey Anthony is a bad seed. I don’t think we’ll have heard the last of her. For all of her parents’ shortcomings, I did not feel that they were any worse than most, other than having to deal with this mess of a daughter. </p>

<p>I have a close friend from childhood who has one daughter who is just a disaster. It has aged the parents and saddened them greatly. Other kids in the family are all fine. It’s just her.

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<p>That may very well be the case with your friend, and I believe it is the case in many situations. I, for one, seriously believe we give parents too much blame AND too much credit for what happens in the lives of their children.</p>

<p>However, in this case, given the history of the father’s gambling, the fact that, in addition to gambling away the families money, he has not held full time regular employment since they moved to florida when Casey was a young girl… etc…</p>

<p>None of which I even knew when I saw him get on the stand and heard him talk and the hair on the back of my neck rose up and I thought, “this is a really bad guy.” </p>

<p>Then, I googled him, and read it. And, you know what, I hadn’t even been that interested in the trial til then. I haven’t watched the talking heads, except through the catpioning working out at the gym. So, I wsn’t even aware of the abuse claim Baez made in the opening statement until AFTER I saw him and had that reaction.</p>

<p>I’ve got a very strong radar for lying and always have. The parents aren’t like your friends parents, I’ve worked with parents of kids who are out of control for a long time, now, and very rarely am I sitting there thinking “it’s the parents.” fwiw</p>

[soozievt]

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Abhorrent perhaps, but not rare or unheard of. Some people react… poorly.</p>

<p>It’s quite plausible that Caylee died accidentally and that Casey panicked and did something stupid without thinking. Then out of fear she could have done the next stupid thing and it escalated from there. Many people have dug themselves deeper and deeper for lack of knowing what else to do and not being able to overcome the fear of just fessing up.</p>

<p>What is unreasonable to us may have been perfectly reasonable to someone immature and fearful.</p>

<p>This is not something new.

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<p>But I wasn’t referring to her supposed panicking and covering up the accident to appear as a murder. </p>

<p>I was talking of her behavior the following 31 days. It is HIGHLY unusual for someone who has lost a child ACCIDENTALLY (as she claimed) to be in the mood immediately to laugh and party and go out like normal. In fact, I think it would be even odder to do that if it were an accident than if it were a murder. Because an accident is UNEXPECTED and so there is some shock and some anxiety and some guilt and some grief. And if she covered it up to appear like a murder (with help as claimed), she’d be nervous and fearful about it being discovered and so on. So, this isn’t all about just the grief either. Most anyone would have some stress. The fact that there were no signs of ANY difference in her behavior not even for a day or a moment observed by anyone IS indeed unusual during the aftermath.</p>

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<p>If Casey’s parents are liars, so be it. The father had a gambling addiction (according to some posts above…I am not well read on this stuff) and that doesn’t then mean that a child of an addict or a child of a liar necessarily has mental disorders or is a pathological liar. I know many fathers who are addicts and their children display none of these poor behaviors. I just can’t go around blaming the parents in this case for the daughter’s wrongful behaviors. Also, even the best parents end up with kids who behave very poorly or have mental illnesses and/or where one of their children is like this and their other children are not.</p>

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I was talking of her behavior the following 31 days. It is HIGHLY unusual for someone who has lost a child ACCIDENTALLY (as she claimed) to be in the mood immediately to laugh and party and go out like normal. In fact, I think it would be even odder to do that if it were an accident than if it were a murder. Because an accident is UNEXPECTED and so there is some shock and some anxiety and some guilt and some grief.

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<p>We’ve covered this already. This is quite possible. Even the grief counselor in the trial confirms this. If you think she is biased ask one you know.</p>

<p>Grief and anxiety don’t show up in some rigid manner. </p>

<p>It’s quite possible. We are also leaving out other possibilities (sociopathy, emotional disorders, etc). Her behavior could be due to any of these reasons.</p>

<p>OR she could be a cold blooded murderer.</p>

<p>People that are suicidal go on about their lives with no one the wiser. People with Alzheimer’s hide it successfully for a long time. Sociopaths blend in perfectly with their surroundings.</p>

<p>Behavior is only an indicator. Not a smoking gun.</p>

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I just can’t go around blaming the parents in this case for the daughter’s wrongful behaviors.

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<p>Sometimes parents do cause these problems, sometimes they exacerbate them. Really shouldn’t matter though. These things should only possibly mitigate the punishment if there is cause. They never excuse the crime.</p>

[jsanche32]

<p>The seriously comical aspect to all of this is how many internet armchair psychologists we seem to have. </p>

<p>She smiled/is happy…How dare she!! A normal mother would not do that so she’s guilty.</p>

<p>She partied it up…how dare she!! Normal people don’t act that way so she’s guilty.</p>

<p>She let her hair down…how dare she!! Normal people don’t do that…so she’s guilty.</p>

<p>Her expressions imply she has no empathy…how dare she!!! Normal people don’t do that so she’s guilty.</p>

<p>And it just goes on and on. It really is quite funny (from my POV in any event).</p>

[jsanche32]

<p>I think I’m going to go back to page 1 and create a timeline of posts for a few choice posters in this thread because I think they really need to see just how illogical/irrational they sound.</p>

[poetgrl]

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Also, even the best parents end up with kids who behave very poorly or have mental illnesses and/or where one of their children is like this and their other children are not.

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<li><p>I am not blaming the parents for Casey’s bad behavior. I am saying her father and his testimony is suspect to me, and juorors who were in the same room with him, reported disbelieving everything he said.</p></li>
<li><p>Nowhere do I state that I think parents are the root cause ALL the time of childrens’ problems, in fact, I state the opposite in my post.</p></li>
<li><p>I am refering to my personal reaction this particular man, which happens to have been the same reaction the jurors had.</p></li>
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<p>eTA: Im not an armchair counselor. I am a therapist IRL.</p>

[kleibo]

<p>Illyria -I understand people react differently - that’s a fact. What I was talking about was a curious observation. MY OWN observation. I UNDERSTAND that people react differently to each and every situation. It’s getting really old hearing the same old - well some people act this way or that way. I get it.</p>

[kleibo]

<p>Jsanche32 - u have fun with that. You are very tenancious - you will probably do it. :)</p>

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What I was talking about was a curious observation. MY OWN observation. I UNDERSTAND that people react differently to each and every situation.

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<p>I think the problem is that the assumption is that if you understand something you DON’T point it out. </p>

<p>Said behavior wouldn’t be curious if you understood it so then why point it out???</p>

[parent56]

<p>i was thinking about the zanny depo… not sure who her defense attorney would be for that, could be baez or might be different as civil case…a talking head today said the attorney would advise her to go an be deposed…why???</p>

<p>if she testifies and tells the story…where is her book deal?? it would all be on the record already. If she tells lies and it goes to trial and a jury gets to decide…i can only imagine what a jury will do to her now…a judge if its a default would have to look at actual losses, damages etc…probably an amount that would be less than a jury would pick.</p>

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We’ve covered this already. This is quite possible. Even the grief counselor in the trial confirms this. If you think she is biased ask one you know.

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<p>AGAIN, I was NOT talking about her grief, but about any stresses, anxiety, fears, shock, etc. that would occur after a so-called accident. It would be hard to function as normal immediately after discovering this accident and being involved in a cover up. That is putting the grief aside.</p>

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Behavior is only an indicator. Not a smoking gun.

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<p>NEVER did I say that those behaviors indicated GUILT. I said those behaviors were very odd. They are very possibly part of her mental disorder.</p>

<p>Further, re: post 1509, nobody said that because Casey did X, Y, and Z that you listed, that that meant she was guilty. They remarked that these were not normal behaviors only.</p>

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I was talking of her behavior the following 31 days. It is HIGHLY unusual for someone who has lost a child ACCIDENTALLY (as she claimed) to be in the mood immediately to laugh and party and go out like normal.

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<p>I agree it’s disgusting, but many mental disorders involve complete dissociation. I’m not saying that’s what happened here at all, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if it did. I have no clue either way… it’s just a thought.</p>

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Also, even the best parents end up with kids who behave very poorly or have mental illnesses and/or where one of their children is like this and their other children are not.

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<li><p>I am not blaming the parents for Casey’s bad behavior. I am saying her father and his testimony is suspect to me, and juorors who were in the same room with him, reported disbelieving everything he said.</p></li>
<li><p>Nowhere do I state that I think parents are the root cause ALL the time of childrens’ problems, in fact, I state the opposite in my post.</p></li>
<li><p>I am refering to my personal reaction this particular man, which happens to have been the same reaction the jurors had.</p></li>
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<p>eTA: Im not an armchair counselor. I am a therapist IRL.

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<p>poetgrl, just to clarify, I wasn’t disagreeing with anything YOU wrote. I was just offering my thoughts on the topic of Casey’s behaviors and her parents. I didn’t mean to be directing my post toward you or your posts. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.</p>

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AGAIN, I was NOT talking about her grief, but about any stresses, anxiety, fears, shock, etc. that would occur after a so-called accident. It would be hard to function as normal immediately after discovering this accident and being involved in a cover up. That is putting the grief aside.

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<p>How are you going to put the grief aside? The grief would be ever present from the moment of the accident. Trying to analyze her behavior OUTSIDE of the grief context becomes irrelevant because there is no outside…</p>

<p>But hypothetically…</p>

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It would be hard to function as normal immediately after discovering this accident and being involved in a cover up.

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<p>She had a Xanax prescription… Xanax would handle all of that quite nicely. In fact medically, Xanax is MORE than enough to explain the odd behavior…</p>

<p>And as mentioned above… Dissociation is common in mental illness as well.</p>

<p>Furthermore…</p>

<p>Dissociation is a side effect of Xanax… And alcohol only increases the effects…</p>

[kleibo]

<p>xslacker - two days ago you said</p>

<p>"Well, I CAN prove she is guilty of being a piece of #$@! parent but unfortunately that isn’t a crime… "</p>

<p>How can YOU prove this?</p>

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xslacker - two days ago you said</p>

<p>"Well, I CAN prove she is guilty of being a piece of #$@! parent but unfortunately that isn’t a crime… "</p>

<p>How can YOU prove this?

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<p>Easily… </p>

<p>The standard of a good parent is societal. [Losing</a> kids due to marijuana…](<a href=“lose kids due to marijuana use - Google Search”>lose kids due to marijuana use - Google Search)</p>

<p>Our society considers drug use as bad. No matter what people say about marijuana, the fact that it’s still mostly illegal says enough…</p>

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During an interview with detectives Campana admitted to dabbling in illicit drugs, but said he never provided any drugs to her. He said he only saw Casey Anthony drink beer and smoke marijuana on occasion, the records state.

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<p>A parent that commits crimes is by definition a bad and therefore crappy, or rather a piece of #$@! parent. At least here… and now…</p>

<p>:D</p>

<p>I’ll admit the the “crappy” and “piece of #$@!” are my subjective thoughts but the “bad” is pretty objective…</p>