Chance me for Williams, Washington and Lee, Mount Holyoke [international, 4.0 GPA, <$3k]

The meets need schools are way more popular.

This is a little off topic to this thread, but since it was brought up…here you go. Colleges that are both need blind and meet full need for all international students:

Several U.S. colleges are both need-blind and meet full demonstrated need for international students, including Amherst College, Bowdoin College, Brown University, Dartmouth College, Georgetown University, Harvard University, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Princeton University, University of Notre Dame, Washington and Lee University, and Yale University.

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I think that’s the complete list. There are very few schools that are both need blind/meets full need.

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For international students. The list is a bit longer for U.S. citizens.

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Oop rejected from wesleyan unfortunately :frowning_face: it didn’t really hit tho probably cuz I was on tiktok when getting the decision and I kinda kew that was what it was going to be. The pending apps are columbia chicago, liu, briar, famu, and clark atlanta

Thank you!

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Y’all are appreciated on this app :heart:

No problem happy to help how I can :melting_face:

Cuz they’re application deadline is in August right? Good idea!

Hmm rejected :pensive: but thanks!

Thats the one :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

This is where the problem is. I don’t know whether to pay the $800 enrolment deposit for Hollins or the $400 for Wheaton cuz net cost at hollins is 28k then the net cost at Wheaton is 30k +4k health insurance which is payable so I tried looking at things outside cost to sort of know which college to put my mind towards possibly attending (if all goes well) and I’m not really sure other than one time my cousin told me if i were to ever stay in the US, I should stay in Massachusetts or Connecticut but never Mississippi (I’m guessing racism? not sure tho). That reason is obviously not substantial so like if anyone has any pointers for each school, dropping them would be appreciated!

Thank you!

Them and their one figure acceptance rate was not going to take my 1280 :sob:

Thank you so much!

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OP is using government loans to fund their education abroad :pensive: :victory_hand: (not totally crazy amounts tho, just 10k; max 15)

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I totally knew this when I applied :slight_smile: so quick question, aren’t smaller LACs supposed to have like way lower acceptance rates (wheaton ma is ~78) since they way smaller class sizes and resources to accommodate the amount of people that apply. I got into the one in MA btw.

thanks!

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I would do a deep dive into which one is the most financially stable. Look up their Moody’s and S&P bond ratings, if you can.

I would be on the phone with Wheaton first thing Monday morning to tell them that the deposit represents a financial hardship for you right now, and is there any way they can hold the spot for you with- what- $50? $100? Something doable for you.

Then you’re committed of course. But if the package is affordable, don’t let the enrollment deposit stand in your way.

Wheaton is a fine, small college with smart and nice kids. What a great option for you!

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I’ve done it for you (I know where to find stuff like that on the internetz.) Here’s the quick and dirty:

Neither school is living high on the hog on huge endowments; they’re basically there to fund student and institutional enrichments like scholarships and faculty research. Although neither sits at the very pinnacle of the bond rating services (which would be a triple AAA or an AA1,2, or 3), I’m more worried by the fact that I couldn’t find a rating for Hollins that was less than twenty years old. Furthermore, Wheaton has twice the enrollment of Hollins which IMO, is an indication of better financial health since both are heavily dependent on tuition for their survival. This pains me because I think Hollins has a cool roster of alumnae (including Annie Dillard, and Nancy Campbell who both have affiliations with Wesleyan.) I would go with Wheaton (MA).

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If this article is accurate, Hollins has no bond rating because it carries no debt. I out their matching press release too. This would imply strength financially. I noticed they also received a school recurs $75 mil donation in 2021.

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In any case you have till May 1 and, if affordable, both Hollins and Wheaton MA are excellent choices. :tada::crown:

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I understand that Hollins carries no debt. But, a school that carries no debt is also a school that hasn’t constructed anything in at least 30 years.

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Doesn’t @Sweetgum have a student at Hollins? Maybe they can give the OP insight into the financial health as well as her student’s experience.

(I’ve never been to Hollins but I saw the sign today as I drove through Roanoke. :smiley:)

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Actually what you said was you were more worried you couldn’t find a debt rating in the last 20 years. I explained why.

Then you said you thought larger enrollment was a better sign and perhaps it is but I showed you the leading financial magazine gave them an A+ for financial health.

You may disagree but I explained why there’s no current rating and gave you a published perspective on Hollins health.

Wheaton, btw, is BAA2 rated, fine, but two grades above junk.

So financially, I’ll provide another opinion, Hollins is stronger financially but both are fine.

OP may also consider weather ((Hollins more temperate) and transport - Boston will have international flights whereas Hollins will be a connection. But Hollins will be closer to the airport.

Hollins, being an all women’s school, is another differentiation that may impact OP’s decision whereas Wheaton is not.

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College Confidential isn’t a debate society. Write your opinion, and go on. Let’s move on from the detailed analysis of Hollin’s financial state.

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I too am troubled that Wheaton carries about $80 million in debt; they haven’t constructed very much in the last thirty years either (mostly renovation projects https://wheatoncollege.edu/about-wheaton-college/campus-and-community/campus-renovations/#discovery-center). Inability to keep up with payments on a much smaller amount is what caused Sweet Briar to nearly close its doors back in 2015. However, the crisis was precipitated when the latter school missed its enrollment mark by a mere 45 students. What scares me about Hollins is that it has nearly the same undergraduate enrollment as Sweet Briar did and in nearly the same area of the country. When things started to go downhill, they had almost no enrollment cushion.

Oops, sorry. Cross-posted.