Chance Me/Match Me - ED 1 & ED 2 Strategies - Northeastern Liberal Arts Schools [NY resident, 3.89 GPA, 35 ACT; history, environmental science, pre law]

I don’t know why there is any surprise about this. It’s no secret… I’ve been reading about it for years. Of course the data is readily available. The best source is the people who process the common ap. They know the difference between the number of applications (your point) and the number of applicants.

Here’s an article from Forbes addressing the issue a year and a half ago with a link to the common ap:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelnietzel/2023/03/30/college-applications-are-up-dramatically-in-2023/

There was also an article in The NY Times, but it’s behind a pay wall. If you have an account, you can Google the topic. Lots more has been written about this wave over the past several years.

Edit: I don’t know why this link isn’t working. I checked the address and it’s correct. I don’t have time right now to play with this, but it should be easy to find via Google. My regrets.

I didn’t say it was a surprise. I’m just trying to disentangle number of applicants vs number of applications. No matter how many applications there are, a student can only attend one college at a time.

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The notion of a “cliff” might evoke a somewhat more dramatic vision than is warranted, but here is one projection (this is of total US HS graduates per year):


That is projecting right around a 1% average decline per year.

A couple things to keep in mind. This is just the domestic population, and at least some US colleges have been experiencing significant increases in international applications. And then applications per applicant have increased as well.

For a broad overview, Common App does regular updates (obviously this is only Common App data, but I am not aware of a reason to think it is not at least reasonably representative):

Here is the latest one from March:

In the “at a glance” section at the top, you can see how, among other things, International applicant growth has significantly outpaced domestic (13% to 5% during this study period).

In the “key findings” section, they then report:

Total application volume to returning members through March 1 rose 7% from 2022–23 (7,041,256) to 2023–24 (7,541,148). Applicants were also applying to slightly more members in 2023–24 than in 2022–23 (+1% from 5.66 to 5.74 applications per applicant).

I note they also report 6% growth in unique applicants, which means the 13% International growth was enough to raise the total by about 1% (since it was only 5% domestic).

Long story short, I am not sure a “cliff” which amounts to a 1% national decline a year in the domestic supply of high school graduates is going to reverse, or even do much to slow down, the upward trend in application volumes at the more popular national/international colleges.

Indeed, just very back of the envelope–the underlying “cliff” is basically going from around a 1% annual increase to a 1% annual decrease, so a net of -2%. But if the baseline trend with all the other factors included is something like a 7% annual increase, then that may only slow down to like a 5% annual increase.

But we shall see.

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As fascinating as the off-topic posts are, please return focus to the OP.

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UPDATE:
So he was rejected by Midd ED1. That caused him to re-evaluate his options, and he decided to take a shot at Vassar, where his mom and I went.

And he found out today that he got in to Vassar ED2!

I’ve updated his application history below for future reference, but of course we won’t find out about 12 of the schools he applied to. Strange process, but it is what it is, and we are all currently extremely excited about how it turned out! Thanks for all of the feedback above. It was very helpful.

ED1: Middlebury Rejected
ED2: Vassar - Accepted

EA (All Safeties)
Binghamton - Accepted
Gettysburg - NA
Hobart - Accepted ($34k/annual merit)
Marist - Accepted ($15k/annual merit)
Union - Accepted ($40k/annual merit)

RD
Reaches
Amherst - NA
Bowdoin - NA
Colgate - NA
Hamilton - NA
Colby - NA
Wesleyan - NA
Bates - NA

Targets
Skidmore - NA
Lafayette - NA

Safeties
Dickinson - NA
UCONN - NA

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Fantastic! Congrats! Sounds like Vassar was meant to be!
Thanks for the update!

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That’s definitely how we — parents and son — feel about the process.

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Congrats! I bet he’ll love it – we visited many of the same schools and Vassar’s campus was one of the prettiest. My D got into her college ED2 last year and a REALLY wanted to know if she would’ve gotten into other schools she applied to RD, but in the end it doesn’t matter b/c she’s in somewhere that she loves. Still, would be nice to know … Again, congrats to him, and to his parents!

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Yeah, I got a parent-directed email from Hamilton right afterwards, and I was a little disappointed we’d never know. C’est la vie!

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Fantastic!

Although of course it is natural to be curious, I think the kids who get to shut down the process and just enjoy the rest of their year usually end up appreciating that quite a bit.

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My ED D was thrilled to be “done” – she really enjoyed the end of senior year knowing she was going to a college she loved. Hope that will be the case for OP’s son.

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Congrats on Vassar for your son, that’s fantastic news! I appreciate your update, Vassar is one of my kiddo’s top choices right now- she’ll be applying this fall. It’s good to see other schools on your son’s list, it gives us ideas for other places we may not have checked out yet. Just curious if your son visited Dickinson and felt like it had a decent overlap with Vassar, in terms of culture and vibe? That’s on our list to check out and I’m trying to decide if I should book flights to go visit. Thanks!

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We did not. But he did a remote interview there. I was impressed a lot by Lafayette, which even with a fraternity presence, felt and looked a lot like Vassar. We also loved Colby, Hamilton, and Colgate, for that vibe. He also loved Middlebury, obviously, which is why he applied ED1 — his mom’s family is from Vermont — but I didn’t do that trip with them.

I got a different vibe at Wesleyan, Bowdoin, Amherst, and Bates.

He really disliked Haverford and Conn College. Those were the only two we visited where he said he wasn’t going to apply as we were driving away.

Of the EA schools, we did not visit Union, but they were awesome to deal with throughout the process. Great, personalized communication, and updates. I was really impressed by them.

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He’s definitely leaning that direction! He’s still in sort of disbelief about the sudden finality of it all. But extraordinarily happy. We drove up earlier today — we live 75 minutes away — and bought some celebratory merch at the college store. He will be wearing Vassar hoodies and hats to school for the rest of high school it seems!

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Thanks for the insight- I will have my kiddo check out Lafayette a bit more. She liked Hamilton, too!

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Congrats! My husband and I both went to Vassar as well (‘94 and ‘95) and my son is a first year. He’s having an amazing year! SO happy there and we have loved being able to follow along and really know so much of what he’s experiencing. We are about 1.5 hours away and stopped by last night coming back from skiing in the Catskills and took him and 2 friends out to dinner. It’s just been such a great year so far. Hope you all enjoy the experience of having your kid at VC as much as we have! Happy to answer any current-Vassar questions!

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Congrats! My D is a junior there now, back from her study abroad last semester. It has been a fantastic experience! She has made great friends and is close with her major professor. She has loved the open curriculum. As I’m sure you know, there are lots of opportunities there! Enjoy!

Also, be sure to sign up for the parents FB page. Vassar will treat your son as an adult, and will never contact you, except to ask for money. :joy: That FB page will be your source of info!

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Just wanted to chime in with my D’s overlaps. She did an ED1 to Vassar (she is a Jr there now), but her next favorites were Brandeis, Smith and Bryn Mawr.

She did a summer program (thru Johns Hopkins CTY) at Dickinson one summer. She liked it there, and the dining hall food was great! It wasn’t on her list because of major and sport.

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lol I think that’s the case with all colleges (and parent Facebook pages).

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