The student will be somewhere four years, day after day. There’s alum with many schools, from Va Tech to Alabama to UGA and more on Wall Street or in related jobs.
Sure some are on a feeder list but that doesn’t mean they’re the right place for your student.
I would not ED period - to a place that I wasn’t 100% sold on.
That’s a lot of risk for an unknown- the likelihood that they end up in the desired career is still little.
S26 is 100% sold on for ED1/2 in USC & NYU, knows the campus & students. Surely some reluctance on Emory & BC (religious) as they are smaller schools. Will check out the recent stats of current EA/ED admits for BC.
Also not gung-ho on IB industry and he seriously loves Econ too, just looking for a univ with great alumni network & career outcomes.
ED2 might not move the chances at NYU Stern for the profile, hoping NYU Econ@CAS would. If we don’t find ED2 options that could convert a reach to hard target option, then we will skip ED2 altogether.
I’m not sure ED2 is a big help for you at any of the schools in your title. You are in range, but there will be a lot of students with similar stats. I also don’t know that I’ve ever seen evidence that unhooked ED2 admission rates at those schools are that much higher than regular decision admission rates. ED2 admission rates are consistently lower than ED1 rates.
If he wants NYU and USC, then those should be the top schools for ED.
It’s not - he really wants NYU but might apply ED to Emory or BC if he can get in. Why would you have a strong top two but give that up for schools that you have doubts about ?
Many schools have strong alumni networks and many great career outcomes reports and then the economy stinks and they don’t.
Outcomes are going to be mainly dependent on the kid. My son had 19 interviews and 5 offers by Xmas at Alabama. And yet there’s parents on here whose kids cannot find jobs from Ga Tech. My College of Charleston kid loaded up on DC intern offers and got the only job she applied for. Success will happen if your student creates it - no matter the where, no differently than it won’t happen if the student is unable to sell themselves. Jobs are not simply handed out.
There’s really no such thing as a reach or hard target in official terms. This is all opinion, a game, and many of us try and fill in the blanks.
If he likes USC and NYU, I’d think more a BU, GW, Pitt, or Syracuse than an Emory or BC - but BC more in line than Emory if you can handle religious imagery and requirements.
A name buys nothing. I work with Emory and Ga Tech undergrads and they work for W Georgia, Kennesaw, and Georgia Southern undergrads.
I assume you ED1’d at USC - so to me then Syracuse is the natural complement but colder. Then maybe a Pitt.
But you said NYU is #2 so then BU, GW.
Maybe Pitt straddles both. A UMN as a much larger school.
I think the entire have great alumni and outcomes is overrated - unless you make them worth a hoot.
If that’s what you seek, then you should look at Babson and Bentley instead of NYU and USC for getting in or SMU with Bentley and SMU solid RD candidates.
But this is not a game - if you want School A or School B but try C ED because you think you have better odds - in a made up ranking category - well then you will end up at a school you don’t love - at least initially.
If you truly want the top with your stats and financial largesse, then hit the colleges LinkedIn states are best for Career Success. Who knows more than them with their access to style data they have ?
Within their top 25, he’d be solid for
#7 Babson
# 15 Bentley
#17 Lehigh
#21 Bucknell
#23 Villanova
#25 Wake
On their list and yours -#22 BC, 24 UIUC, #27 USC, #33 Purdue, #37 SMU, #47 Indiana.
Not listed - NYU (that I see). Again, who would know more than LinkedIn ?
Forbes has another list. ASU is on it.
The point - find the right school for your kid, by feel - not one you thinks provide an advantage but may not if not the right environment for the student.
And ED is a choice and luxury. It needn’t be used. But if you use it, use it for where you want to be, not simply where you could get in which you might also get in RD, especially as a full pay family where most colleges crave full pay $.
Why no CA schools on your list? UCLA and a few others seem like a no brainer.
I always felt that ED should be used on your dream school. Not to play the odds game. But to each their own.
Look at the direct admit business schools like Pitt vs secondary admission schools. Why go through a secondary admission process when you have a guaranteed spot. Penn State Smeal is going to direct admit.
Fordham Gabelli could be a great landing spot. NYC and a great business program. Good luck.
NYU has said in the past that there is not much difference between ED1 and ED2 admission rates for them. I think that statement is more true for schools where there is a large % of hooked applicants in ED1. That said, I’m one of those who doesn’t believe in doing ED for strategic reasons and think it should only be done if it is a clear first choice among the colleges one is considering.
Where does your son want to end up after college, geographically? As you are looking at schools, be sure to look at where career outcomes are located. SMU, for example, is going to have amazing placement in Texas. If your son wants to come back to California, find out what kind of network would be there. UIUC will funnel most of its kids to Chicago. Which means if your son went there, there’s a good likelihood that his closest friends and classmates would end up in Chicago.
It’s something to think about when you’re trying to picture the 40 years after college. It’s not just about the alumni network in general, it’s also about your college friends and possible significant other. It’s not just about the type of job, it’s also where the job is located.
I say this all from experience. I came to the Midwest for undergrad from NY. I had absolutely zero desire to stay in the Midwest when I moved here … but after four years of undergrad, and three years of law school, I never considered going back to NY.
I think today - it’s much easier to be where you want. My kids offers from Bama were all over and not local. He’s now in CA after a leadership rotational in Utah, Arizona, CA and Florida. My Charieston daughter is in Denver.
Landing locally may be most likely but that’s because it’s where kids apply. With the acceleration of internet hiring, I don’t think anyone is pigeon holed location wise and then even if you start one place, you may move another. My company moved from the west to south. In my industry, from Toyota to VW to Mercedes to Porsche - all moved south. Mercedes is now closing its Michigan operations and moving 500 to Atlanta. Want investments ? Alliance Bernstein left NYC for Nashville. Goldman and JPM have moved tons to Texas.
So personally I wouldn’t use the where will I settle or want to settle criteria. Never in 100 years did I expect to live in TN as a New Jersey-ite and Californian - and for longer than I’ve lived anywhere else.
Not playing a game, I realize it sounds a bit like that wrt the Title of thread. Each of these are individual evaluations and not NYU vs Emory vs BC. If ED2 is not going to help for his profile at NYU, we don’t want to throw shots in the dark, we wont even apply RD as we already realize RD will be a wasted app either at Stern or CAS.
His preferred areas are NY, SoCal, Texas & Chicago (Oddly no Miami). We will checkout Babson, he already said no to Lehigh.
UCLA, UCB admits are a pipe dream at these stats and the rest of the UC’s business programs are not as great as OOS/Private options. I have an S23 in UCSD BioE, I know that process well.
This means he doesn’t want NYU enough - which itself is a signal he shouldn’t be going ED. It will help his profile about as much as ED1 would have, but overall his stats are at the lower end for Stern. He will have plenty of great options though.
He has a a 3.7 UW, 1490 SAT and rigor - although not a ton - like Science.
If you’re going to say that about NYU being a waste, then why apply to USC or UT Austin.
I know this - you’re not getting into NYU if you don’t apply to NYU.
The odds may be against you but we are not adcoms.
Let them tell you no. Not everyone attending is ED and people make the mistake of thinking - but half the class got in ED. OK, but the other half didn’t. NYU doesn’t share in the CDS how many got in ED - but at other schools, like Wesleyan, only 1/7 accepted RD are enrolling - so think of how many are saying no that were admitted - so you’re making assumptions but you really don’t know (nor do I). But a lot more are getting in than you think.
It’s almost as if you want a perfect admission record. My kids both got rejections - and I’m glad. That tells me they reached appropriately.
I also can’t find if NYU is need aware or blind. AI says blind but I don’t find that NYU says it. You are full pay - another reason, if they are need aware, it’s worth a shot.
I don’t understand at all that NYU is a top two for me with USC - and yet I won’t even apply - whether ED or RD.
That tells me he must not love NYU as much as you’re saying….because if he really loves it, he’d apply - and if he gets rejected, oh well - he has other options. But what if he got in? I assure you some 3.7, 1490s will.
I say this with all due respect, but I really wish you would stop with your Georgia Tech nonsense. It’s honestly coming off as bitter and rather insecure at this point and seems like a constant drip with a lot of your posts and using anecdotal stories to make some point which is completely invalid. I usually ignore such posts but it’s becoming very common by you and truly unnecessary. Thanks.
It’s simply a note that just because it’s a top ranked school doesn’t ensure success. Would you rather I show that 22% of UCB grads in 2024 months after when the last snap shot was taken were still looking (13% in Haas business or 22% in the highly ranked school of engineering.
I’m not writing to you - I’m writing to OP that may not have read other things - and sounds like you’re the insecure one.
I’m simply noting, based on parents reporting here, that going to a top ranked school for sake of going to a top ranked school - is not a guarantee because OP, in my interpretation, is making an assumption like that.
Since you don’t want anecdotes, at GA Tech, in the 24/25 report and I’m not sure of the snapshot timeline, but they report a placement rate of 82.4% so 17.6% are still looking based on the definition (that’s for Scheller) - ¹ The Placement Rate is calculated as the percentage of respondents who are employed or self-employed, divided by the total number of respondents who are either employed, self-employed, or actively seeking employment. Given it’s a 35% reporting rate (school wide), it’s likely higher not having found a job since people not employed are less likely to respond. And in engineering (again, a top ranked program), 75.2% of employment seekers were employed so a quarter weren’t.
But I’m not selling books here or trying to communicate with you - I’m answering to one specific poster who has chosen to respond to me.
Why don’t you respond to OP since they are seeking assistance. I’m not seeking your guidance - but I am trying to help OP.
You might do the same - vs. criticize someone who is not responding to you. I’m sure the OP will appreciate any insights you can offer them on their post..
Those are ranking which is opinion - I showed data and also showed ranking (the linkedin data for example, although they have more data than anyone given their user base..
Nonetheless, the point is simply to OP - going to a specific high ranked school is not assurance of a successful outcome.
That’s it - as they seem to think it is and the data shows that it isn’t - directly from the schools regardless of what Princeton Review or Forbes or P&Q want to say.
Someone saying so and so has the best placement so they can sell books doesn’t.
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