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We had evaluated NYU Stern as much harder to get compared to USC Marshall (new ED1) or UT Austin McCombs. We know students with 3.7gpa at USC or UTA and didn’t know any at NYU. My recommendation was to skip McCombs and try Mays (TAMU) but he chose to gamble for UTA.
NYU is the only Econ program that he wanted to ED, most other apps have Econ as secondary major. That tells me he loves NYU. I guess you are right, he will RD to NYU no matter the odds irrespective of my recommendation. We expect ED2 should increase the odds, If it doesn’t we might as well stay RD.
Babson has <3K undergrads, he wont consider very small schools.
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You are comparing apples and oranges here. Getting interviews and offers is more difficult for new job seekers now, compared to when your son was job seeking during the relative boom years of 2022-2023. At this point, I am not sure that the number of interviews your son had by Xmas would be relevant data for today’s high school seniors.
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The UC process seems like an enigma to me as a non-resident. It’s interesting. That said, you’re already applying to highly selective schools. Why not a few UC’s?
If Chicago is a target I’m surprised Notre Dame isn’t in the list. That said, the degree is recognized anywhere.
Emory seems like an oddball choice compared to other schools on the list and location. Great school though.
Good luck.
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Econ and Business degrees are not the same. A lot of people think they’re interchangeable but not really. Both degrees can be useful and marketable. You can eventually end-up in the same spot with either degree but they’re not the same. Spending 4 years studying a subject you might not like is a recipe for failure.
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That’s why I noted GW and BU as potential easier. They’re not the same as NYU, of course, but both are very urban - GW has a second, leafier campus too. You can get more granular and add urban safety College of Charleston (smaller but about 9k) or Pitt which you already are accepted to - Pitt impresses all.
If USC is desired campus wide, then Syracuse is the copy but colder. There’s a lot of overlap between SC, Syracuse and then Northwestern, which is of course a harder get.
Econ is not business so I’m never a believer personally in - I’ll apply for business everywhere but there because Econ is an easier in. What if the student hates Econ? I’d choose major over school in my opinion
Lastly, if the student applies to NYU, UT, USC, and gets rejected and then gets rejected on the rest (they don’t) but let’s say they did - he’s already in at Michigan State, Pitt, and ASU.
Guess how many colleges he can attend next year ? One
so he’s already got an embarrassment of riches.
And you know what’s hard ? Choice. Choosing one.
For my money, Pitt, while not close to uber urban like NYU, is closest. ASU and Michigan State are the top supply chain schools in the country. He likely doesn’t know what that is but there’s crossover to finance and both do very well job wise. Both are also enormous student population wise.
So take your shots. The worst they can say is no. He’s already ahead of the game quite honestly.
Kids like to collect acceptances - one of mine included. That brings the next problem - where to go? And if he has 10 or 3 to choose from (he’ll have more than three), it’s still hard but it’s a nice problem to have.
Make sure you get him to all b4 deciding if he’s not been yet.
I wish him well with USC and NYU but even if they say no, he’s still in GREAT shape.
Good luck.
Here are Pitts stats from 2024. Their reporting rate or what they know - Kniwledge rate is extremely high for finance and impressive. I didn’t check ASU/Michigan State but you certainly can.
Best of luck but he doesn’t need it. Hes already won.
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The point again, is OP is assuming certain schools provide ‘opportunities’ and I’m noting it’s the kid, not the school.
It’s not 2023 but that’s not relevant.
The point is, the student should choose the right school, not one I can get into and it has the highest perceived rank.
Considering ED’ing to Emory which doesn’t fit and BC which may, but the student doesn’t like the religious aspect but it’s strong in job opportunity - that’s, in my opinion, wrong.
And I’m simply noting the student shouldn’t use ED on an acceptance that has a reputation but they don’t love. They should ED where they love. OP has already acknowledged that wasn’t the intent as it first was noted in their OP
And if they don’t get in - success is built from anywhere, including schools that are perceived as lesser.
That the student will create their success moreso than the school.
That’s the point. Lots at my son’s and daughter school didn’t find jobs, no different than at UCs, Ga Tech, and many other top schools.
But those that hustle, regardless of the environment, will be in better position.
That’s the point - if it wasn’t made clearly to OP. I know you already know this as you’ve read other posts. But I’m communicating to OP, but noted in post 3.
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Bless you!
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Question to OP: if you got into NYU Econ AND also all your Business program TossUps (UIUC, IUKelley, UWSea, SMU) and UTAustin McCombs, would you still go to NYU Econ?
Based on anecdotal experience, i think IUKelley is a Likely moreso than a TossUp.
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I asked S26 this exact Q couple of weeks ago. McCombs & Marshall(ED1) Business are the only options he prefers over NYU Econ.
We had looked into GW but it was a hard reach, never thought about it as ED, I’ll ask S26. BU is great urban school but bus/fin/econ program might not better than the others on the list.
Original post was to find out mainly whether ED2 moves the odds significantly in the 3 univs, not necessarily to blindly pick the one that moves the most. If we found ED2 doesn’t help NYU Econ while Emory or BC is a good option, we will fly to Atlanta or Boston to see campus and talk to students before any ED2 level commitment.
Turns out Emory ED2 admit rates (~13%) are not any better than RD (~10%), so removing it from consideration now. S26 has toured other religious schools and is applying to SMU, SCU (as it is closer), USC anyway so we wont be picking BC blindly. I can see that it will be harder to finalize on a BC ED2, but will leave it upto him.
UCs have been applied as they are in-state but we wont get what we want (UCLA/UCB) for the profile and we will end up with better OOS options than the ones we get. Some OOS admits so far have provided merit to close the gap for instate tuition. So UCs are not a big discussion/decision factor.
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On the NYU ED page, some say the GPA was bad. Another says 3.67.
So I don’t think it’s unreasonable. Not saying you get in but you’re a realistic candidate.
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since there are no confirmed stats on ED2 “boost” to acceptance rate for NYU or BC, i am not sure you want to stake your future on that decision. BC Carroll School of Management (CSOM) is an excellent school for business/finance but there is a certain vibe at BC and your student will need to explore whether he will thrive there. it is a Catholic Jesuit school, but you are not forced to be religious there. i think you’ll have fairly good options without doing a ED2 but if you have college visits planned, perhaps something will click and you’ll have a clearer picture of what your student wants. Best of luck!
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Updated Schools (OOS/Private)
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Admitted (+Merit/Honors): PennState (Bus EA), MichiganState (Fin? EA), UPitt (Fin), ASU-WP Carey (Fin)
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Likely: OhioState (Bus EA), IU Kelley (Bus/Econ EA), Fordham (Fin RD), Purdue (Fin EA)
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TossUp: UIUC (Bus/Econ EA), UW Seattle (Bus), SMU (Fin RD), UW Madison (Bus RD)
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Lower Probability: USC (Fin/Bus ED1 deferred to RD), UT Austin (Bus/Econ, EA)
After Smeal admit & USC ED1 deferral, S26 plans to ED2 for NYU Stern and let the chips fall where they may.
Any opinion on whether UW Madison direct admit to business school in RD round is still possible or is it too late for that as we missed EA would be helpful. His take is that Smeal is a better business school while UWMadison is a better univ/town (based on his student connections). Is UW Madison SoB a worthwhile app for RD if one already has Smeal direct admit.
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Subjective and subjective. The schools are likely substitutional but if his opinion is otherwise, then it is as he thinks.
Madison is a great city. Is it a better college town than UP ? Totally subjective.
You gotta be somewhere four years, day after day so what matters to the student ?
You will have kids at ASU, Mich State and Pitt who got into Smeal but said no. There’s no science here. All these schools have strengths - ASU and MSU are 1-2 in supply chain, as an example. These schools are all largely substitutional.
Good luck
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He already has 4 nice acceptances. I suspect at least 4-6 more probables. It’s nice to have choices but are you planning to visit 10 or more schools? Would UW be his top choice over his accepted and target schools? If no, why apply.
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His current top admit is Smeal. We know enough about UW Madison as a univ, campus & city and like it a lot but know little about its business school.
There seems to be limited direct admits (17%) and a strict process to get into the major/college in the second year. As we missed the EA, maybe RD is too late for direct admit similar to TAMU.
We’re trying to find out placement picture (semi target school for IB), alumni before we skip the App. Feels like another feeder school into Chicago industry similar to OhioState-Fisher, UIUC-Geiss, IU-Kelley, so UW SoB won’t provide any difference in outcomes long term but a surely a better campus/city for the 4years.
I expect there are similar outcomes across those schools. Has your S been accepted to the other 3? I would say IU places relatively more students on the east coast than does Gies (and part of that reason is there are many more Kelley students than Gies.) Not sure about Fisher. The only one of the four I would call a semi target for IB is Kelley. Too bad our expert IB person isn’t on CC anymore to weigh in.
I agree with others who have said why apply to Wisconsin if he wouldn’t go there over other places he’s already been accepted. And of those four schools, I wouldn’t say Wisconsin is hands down the better campus/city, it’s all so subjective. Wisconsin is also by far the coldest of the four. Seriously, the only warm weather happens in the summer 
Which may or may not be important to your kid.
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