https://finaid.umich.edu/new-undergraduates/non-resident-students-and-financial-aid/
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Thanks that is all really helpful. While we wait for a decision just thinking if we checked no for aid if that helps a little and it sounds like it does OOS. It is asked on common app, so they have that. We are not from an area that feeds into Michigan often, so hopeful we could have one small thing in our favor. Thank you!! Still worried about not having that X though-
That link states they provide more aid to ISS. It does not address whether admissions are need blind. Those are two different concepts, which was the point I was trying to make.
For example, GWU had a big scandal about five years ago because they said they ignore need, but actually were using it in admitting students (in what they called the final phase of review). This article discusses that and the fact that many âneed blindâ schools do not provide funding once they admit you
This article discusses need blind in more detail and list the 5 schools (as of 2018) that promised both need blind and full aid to all students (even international):
Checking that you need or donât need aid doesnât matter for Michigan. They also never said that will give you everything you need for OOS. If you go into the link you need to fill out the financial aid form. If you are accepted they will try to make it more palatable. Lots of families are getting $20-35,000 OOS. But they of course are going to try to help their instate students more every state school does. All you can do is apply. You can do the financial estimates to give you an idea.
Late to the party, but for those tallying EA statsâŠ
Deferred
OOS
LSA
4.5 GPA weighted
4.0 GPA unweighted
35 ACT
6 AP exams - all 5 or 4
- 4 more AP classes this year
Strong ECs, essays, and letters of rec
State level student leadership
4 year varsity athlete
No x
LOCI and midyear report submitted. His unweighted GPA is still 4.0 and weighted GPA went up to 4.55 after a 4.8 senior semester, and ACT is now 36. Fingers crossed we have good news soon!
I really think this whole EA deferment is such a racket. I would venture to guess that all OOS applicants get deferred if they meet the GPA and SAT/ACT score requirements so that a the school can keep their yield up. Students worked very hard to get their stuff in on time for the EA deadline only to be told they have to wait for a decision with all the applicants that applied months after them! Not cool!
So true. They should get rid of the whole early application process. Rather than being an instrument for students who really want to go to school X, itâs become a way for schools to maximize their yield and give false hope to many students.
Itâs disheartening that these top tier schools care about yield so much so their rankings donât fluctuate. When youâre talking about this caliber of school, I suspect most students and families really donât care who is #5 vs #9.
There are also OOS applicants with great stats who were admitted. Michigan can fill their class many times over with high stat kidsâŠ
Some just have to wait. Kids are applying to so many schools these days, this is really the only option. Priority 1 for Michigan EA is certainly to get their qualified in-state applicants as it is required to have a certain percent of students from MI. If you have a well thought out list of schools and realize it may be April before you know where you will go, then whatâs the problem? Students need to go into the process well educated on admissions and keep their expectations in check. Michigan gets absolutely flooded with EA applicants!
Correct. At the very least they should be required to refund the application fee to deferred applicants, as most of them are not interested to wait until the RD deadline.
My humble suggestion is that Michigan adopt UVAâs new model. Create an ED phase and require everyone who has UM as first choice to apply by October 15th. Report decisions by December 15th. At the same time, offer an EA plan that requires applications by November 1st. Report EA decisions on February 15th and not in waves. Send an email to all EA applicants on February 1st asking them to confirm that they are still interested. Those who have taken or received offers to schools they prefer can then withdraw.
This would alleviate stress, eliminate the need for an additional essay or LOCI, protect the schoolâs yield, and allow first-choicers to identify themselves by submitting an ED app.
For the suggestions above send those to the head of admissions!! Seriously.
We went through this and other schools processes 3 cycles ago. It sucks but at least the rules are pretty much spelled out on their website. They pick about 50% of their class through EA. The dates to apply are stated and when you will be notified around, are stated. If you donât get accepted then you move to RD. You are no longer EA, just like any other school. Notification will be before mid April for RD applicants. Itâs on their website. So instead of waiting till April to find out they do these waves. So many kids hang on to their acceptances till May 1 decision time or very late in the process. Itâs not a perfect system. Far from it but they are using a new system this year. It will be very interesting to see if there is an improvement. Maybe more people accepted /denied quicker?
Just make sure you are having your students look into other schools. Get excited about number 2,3 on your list and start researching all their options.
You know all the regulars here are wishing that every CC member gets accepted! ?.
Good Luck.
Early Decision like UVA implemented favors wealthy applicants plain & simple. There is much data out there on it. This might be why Michigan avoids it. Plenty of Michigan EA applicants that would be unable to do an ED, yet Michigan is their clear first choice.
will they submit students whose fall semester has not closed out into Michigan in the january wave
Anybody know when LSA deferred students hear back?
@schmendy27 Deferred applicants start to hear 2/1 historically this year it my be 1/31, will see. Deferred students have migrated to the RD discussion threadâŠ
@FoxRulz thanks!
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I have heard the answer depends on the applicant. If itâs a student who had near perfect grades and GPA was not a concern then yes. If not and they want to look at those first semester grades they will wait on a decision.
While we assume all of this is being done to manage yield for ratings, they also need to manage yield for operational reasons. In 2014 they overshot yield by more than 500. That led to all sorts of issues with housing, managing programs etc. We can say âwhat is 500 in a class of 6,000â, but if you have to make sure all those kids have spots it is a lot. So part of the process is to make sure they can manage the students who accept. Maybe there is a more efficient way of doing it, but I can appreciate the operational issue. I know some schools went to ED, but as another poster mentioned, that massively favors more affluent kids.
I am so nervous about Ross.
Congrats