Class of 29 Undergrad/Class of 27 Grad: All Things Related to Music School Applications (prescreens/tours/interviews/auditions/supplements/etc)

You said in an earlier post that this was your son’s list of schools that he applied to…

In a later post you said that his dream school is Frost. Can you tell us what schools have admitted and waitlisted him? Like a number of posters have expressed, it can be frustratingly random in spite of a student’s academic and performance resume.

If you’re waiting on Frost, it doesn’t seem like academics are a huge problem for him, but again who can really say. I’ve spoken to a couple of people involved with the jazz program at Frost and they’ve told me that there were a huge number of drummers auditioning this year. While they wouldn’t give me a number, 13 alone on the EA day that my son auditioned… as opposed to 3 bassists. They wouldn’t tell me how many drummers they were hoping to pick up next year.

My son was waitlisted at Frost’s jazz program on drums as well. It’s a top 5 pick, especially because of Music Biz. He was waitlisted at three of his top five schools. Two not a surprise, one a huge surprise. We will pay the deposit a one of the schools he’s been accepted to and wait. If a school he prefers takes him off of the list and offers him a spot, we’ll take it from there. A couple of wise posters here said at this $$$ level, we shouldn’t be bashful about flexing some consumer muscles. I have no problem having S send a letter of thanks to a school he committed to only to end up at a school that he preferred.

Yes!!! She has a summer gig that lasts all summer so she has to move out of her apt in Rochester right after graduation and get ready to leave for the summer but we don’t even know where she’ll be next year yet. :sob::sob:. We will figure it out eventually.

What are folks thoughts on writing letters of continued interest for waitlist notifications, when they aren’t asked for, but also are not prohibited? Just a “we will let you know by x date? S got waitlisted at what he felt was his top choice, I was going to encourage him to write a letter, but I wasn’t sure if that’s the right thing to do? He thinks I’m being extra. :slight_smile:

A letter indicates the student actively wants to continue to be considered for that school. He should include any new information that wasn’t available at the time of applications- any prizes, noteworthy performances/master classes etc. But don’t keep calling as you don’t want to be a pain, you just want to show you are actually interested. They do keep track.

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I agree with this. I know that in the Musical Theater Parents FB page I mentioned above, they suggest doing this. Nothing pushy or annoying. Just a note/email to let them know that he’s still very interested in attending and that it is a top choice program for him. Can’t hurt and very well might help… or at least keep him on their radar.

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Such a big congratulations to you and your son! UNT has an awesome percussion program and so many opportunities there. Enjoy and celebrate!:tada:

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I am local to Meadows and know several kids there. It has a great reputation for the attention given to students and the gigging opportunities are excellent in this area. SMU and Bard could not be more different schools. What instrument?

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I will second the gigging opportunities. Mine is semi-local at UNT and gigs in Dallas (Bishop Arts, Deep Ellum, etc) 2x/week. No lack of work

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My D wrote a nice letter when she was waitlisted at Eastman, describing her continued interest and why she felt their opera program was a good fit/she was a good fit for them (based on a shared interest in modern works). She did ultimately get in. Don’t know if the letter helped but it didn’t seem to hurt.

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For waitlist, yes, a letter of continued interest is common and acceptable. It would help to include whether that school is first choice and some reasons why.

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IU Jacobs sent out acceptances for grad school in vocal performance. However at least 2 students we know had the acceptances sent to outdated emails (from undergrad for example) even though they applied using gmail. If your student hasn’t heard might be worthwhile to follow up.

Well written. Yes, in my experience a lot of the driven kids you mention, the competitive ones (which to a large extent IMO is the parents), can often flare out/burn out/be disappointed.Music is competitive in its traditional form, admission to summer programs/youth orchestras as a kid, music schools, if you want to get into a traditional orchestra. The problem there is that gets translated into being personal competition with other musical students/musicians, where anyone else is your rival/enemy kind of thing. I translates into the music student/musician into being a disagreeable person or so focused on themselves that quite honestly, it hurts their chances of doing the thing they want, to get into music. And yes, there are teachers and people ‘in the industry’ who promote that idea. Some studios I have heard of are like Lord of the Flies mentality, where the teacher sets their own students against each other, which is ridiculous. That was a very old guard mentality, in the violin world it was the stereotype of teaching, the old European teachers were notorious for that (and teachers who studied with them were notorious for continuing on in that tradition, fortunately that is something that is dying out).

I also agree that there is a lot more than deciding “I need to go to school X to succeed”. Yes, if you want to get into the Philadelphia Orchestra, going to Curtis can be a big edge…but if a kid does that, and doesn’t like the environment, doesn’t enjoy it, they likely won’t reach that goal. There is real life in music, and being able to enjoy it rather than see it as a beast to be tamed is important. The musical monk approach (as my son called it) may create someone who is proficient on their instrument, perhaps at a high level, but they often lack the curiousity about things, and they have been so isolated they don’t interact well with people and that can be problematic. On the violin that is common, these are the kids who are striving to be a soloist, they end up on the competition circuit looking for the holy grail of a soloist career, and when they fail many don’t know what to do and have a hard time shifting gears. My son and his group have found that there are chamber groups who see others as ‘the enemy’ (this was especially true at competitions), but they are relatively few, they when they can go to the performances of groups they have met and vice versa, because they realize it isn’t a zero sum game.

The thing about music is it isn’t deterministic, set of inputs=outputs. I think it was the Jazz great Charley Parker who said you can’t put it through the horn until you have lived life, and I agree with that. If music is this thing that separates you from real life, stands apart from it, rather than being part of it, I think the person will struggle to figure out what it even means (to them) to make it in music. My S and his group recently had a gig at Princeton U as part of some classes there. The person who runs it conducts music there, and also conducts a community orchestra there that is full of people who do other things, but many of them studied music in various ways, and still have it in their lives even though their vocations are outside music.

My S’s group is doing well, and one of the things audiences comment on besides their energy and playing ability, is how together they are up there, how the energy is they enjoy being there and playing together. They are all intense about music, when they arent on the road performing they spend 6,7 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week rehearsing. That said, it isn’t their whole life, and as a group they interact on many levels. They all have interests out of music, and even in rehearsal there is time to have bs sessions or talk about what is going on or who knows what. We have had them stay with us when they are in the NY area where we live, and it is hysterical watching them interact as people. Despite the intensity of their existence, with all the traveling and navigating their future, they find time to enjoy what they are doing and each other.

And if the kid has a life, enjoys other things besides music, it will flow over into the music side. One of the things about music is I think you have to enjoy music but also enjoy the life around it, because music has to be part of life, not this weird thing off in space.

I sometimes think that instead of talking about making it in music, that we should talk about making it in life where music is part of that, whatever that part is:)

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Nice!!!

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Hmmm. Wondering about this for undergrad. My daughter has a friend who auditioned for voice undergrad on 3/7. Still has not heard anything. This seems super late. I will have him check any and all emails he may have ever used–he’s actually sort of a transfer, did some of his freshman year elsewhere but not in voice–confusing situation. Thanks for the heads up!

One of the things with music is that it never hurts to do things like follow through or saying thank you or the like. One of the things I always thought but has been confirmed through watching my S navigate this world is a)it is a small world and b)it is built on networking and perceptions as much as talent. It never hurts to show enthusiasm and it never hurts, even if you don’t particularly feel like doing so, to say thank you. A lot of music in the real world is based on people knowing you and having a good perception of you, that much I can tell you and there are some really talented musicians who struggle because to be blunt, they have a perception around them of being difficult or non collegial.

Will such a letter of interest guarantee you will get off the wait list? No. But could it be the difference if a slot opens up they get in touch with you? Yes.

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Have them contact admissions. My D found out from her studio, sent an email saying she had not heard and please check email, the acceptance came to her email later that day

Cello.

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GIgging doable without a car? I don’t know the area.

Thanks! Yes! Now I’m wondering if they sent it to the email for the school he attended in the fall – when he would have originally submitted his app. That email would be completely defunct now…

And congrats on the acceptance!

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