College after Juvenille Detention?

My son made a stupid mistake two days before he graduated high school and is paying the price in Juvenille detention, He comes home this summer and I am trying to find out how to get him back on track for college.

He lost his scholarships, and I’m looking for other opportunites to help pay for his college. He had a good gpa and act score, but I don’t know if they’ll count these year old things. I don’t know if he can still apply as a first time student or not.

If anyone has been there or has some constructive advice, I’d really appreciate it.

I’m sorry to hear about your son’s difficulties.

If he hasn’t been to college, he’ll be a first time student. His SAT and his GPA are still relevant. He can still be admitted to college as a freshman, and he’ll still be eligible for freshman scholarships.

If he comes home this summer and wishes to apply for colleges for the fall of 2016, his best bet is to get a job or do something else that shows he has learned his lesson, wised up and is ready to put his past misdeeds behind him.

We don’t know enough here, but if he’s applying to a Common App school, the form includes two questions: Have you ever been found responsible for a disciplinary violation at any educational institution you have attended from the 9th grade…
and
Have you ever been adjudicated guilty or convicted of a misdemeanor, felony, or other crime?

Find those on a sample of the app, for more wording. The app also requests separate detail, explanation and reflections. If he’s not applying to a CA school, see if or how their forms ask.

If you google, using some of that phrasing, you’ll find some articles that discuss how colleges react (which depends on what it was.) As CF noted, he’ll need to show some sort of understanding and turn-around, plus maturity. The proactive course is to work on that- CF mentions a job, he can also commit to some serious community service.

Some states, communities, or judges are harder on certain infractions than other areas are. Adcoms know that. They also know some kids do dumb things and learn their lesson. He has to show that, not just say it. Again, we don’t know what this is. Best wishes.

There are decent schools that still have openings even late in the summer. Why don’t you get more specific and we can try to help identify some. It’s likely that the most competitive schools will be off the table, but there is likely a good path forward for Fall 2015.

What state do you live in? What can you afford? What kind of school? What kind of stats?

We are in Ohio. He had a pretty good scholarship to University of Toledo, and he still wants to go there. They said his acceptance was good for two years, but we’d be paying out of pocket (or getting loans). We could support one year with half college savings, half loans but he’d be on his own after that. From what we saw last year he can’t even get a loan unless we get a parent loan first,

His GPA was 3.0, with a 26 ACT score. I failed to mention that he’s taken 2 college courses while in the youth center and has A’s in both. I think that makes him a transer student.

We could definitely afford to pay for community college, but we met with the director of the youth center and he advised against it. He told us that 80% of kids that went to our local community college ended up back in the system.

I’m getting long-winded. Been doing a lot of research on schools, etc. Just looking for help or advice if it’s out there.

Thanks for the responses so far!

They may not see the college classes as making him a transfer, based on circumstances. Where I work, eg, they wouldn’t hold colleges classes against a freshman applicant who had taken a gap year. I thought the difference was when a kid actually matriculates at another school. That needs checking. Eg, most schools have some guidelines for transfers and it’s more than two courses- he wouldn’t be near soph standing.

I think this is excellent advice.

AFAIK, a kid with only 2 courses who had not matriculated would not be a transfer.

I doubt that colleges would regard your son is a transfer, based on the circumstances.

Did your son have some less expensive acceptances than Toledo? I’m trying to figure out why sending him to Toledo wouldn’t be the best choice. If he had some other acceptances with better scholarships, he might be able to re-apply there, or at similar schools, for admittance to fall of 2016 or even spring of 2016, and get similar money again.

I’d encourage you to meet with an advisor from your local community college. It is possible that the director from the youth center does not know all the facts about your local cc and all that it offers. It is possible that your local cc has a program for kids just like your son, but most kids don’t know about it and so don’t benefit from it. Or most kids simply don’t really want to be there so it’s no big surprise that they end up making poor choices again. They have no vision for their life.

Many comm colleges offer some terrific articulation agreements with other 4 year colleges (for example, our local comm college had an agreement with Cornell U) and if your son has a vision for himself as to where he wants to end up, that may enable him to stay focused while at comm college. My son earned over 30 credits at our local cc and will be headed to West Point this summer to join the class of 2019. Community college kids who have goals can end up in amazing places. And boy, it is an affordable option.

I would assume that your son would learn something from his experience and won’t be making further poor choices. If he hasn’t, what makes you think that going to Toledo would make any difference.

Except for room and board, the tuition difference between Toledo and community college is about 5K per year. I think the community college for the first two years makes a lot of sense.

Clearly, the kind of CC that has an agreement with Cornell isn’t the same kind of CC where youth offenders register and relapse. To all CC adults giving advice, please remember that not all CC’s are the same,not all function in the same way (ie., in Ohio, OP’s son would be better off attending a quasi-open-enrollment branch campus than a CC, if his goal is to attend a public 4-year college).
In-state, he should look into U Cincinnati’s Blue Ash campus, or the Ohio State’s Mansfield campus.
http://www.ucblueash.edu/
https://mansfield.osu.edu/
OP’s son could indeed register at Tomkins cc in NYS, they have a campus and residential halls:
http://www.tc3.edu/
Advantage: all he has to do is send his transcripts, he doesn’t really have to “apply” like through the CommonApp.

WRT to his Juvenile Detention: The CommonApp will ask, and most applications will ask. He’ll have to come clean, not seek excuses, and show how he learned his lesson. He can start t

UToledo didn’t cancel the admission, but they cancelled the scholarship. Therefore it’s no longer affordable.
Students can no longer afford to pay for their own college, so using up his entire college fund in a year and saying that then he’s 'on his own" is condemning him to being a drop-out - especially since he can’t get loans. OP and his/her son need to come up with a plan that’ll be financially doable for 4 years.
Run the Net Price Calculators for TC3, BlueAsh, and Mansfield.
If they’re too expensive, then OP’s son needs to apply for Fall 2016.

OP’s son may need a clean break with whatever he did, so could he choose a residential college far from his hometown - that’d open more possibilities for him.

Since he’s not eligible for federal loans, I’m guessing selling or consuming drugs (depending on the drug, it’d be seen differently - say, if he were to apply to Adams State in Colorado and his offense involved weed, it’d be considered very differently than if the offense involved molly or cocaine, and consumption vs. selling would also factor in.)
With a 3.0 and a 27ACT, there will be choices on the table for him around May 5th if he wants to apply for Fall 2015. Otherwise, he can work and/or volunteer, be exemplary, study to get a higher ACT in June or September, and apply to other colleges.
If his release is scheduled already, he can even begin applying to a few colleges that still accept applications and that may still have financial aid available for Fall 2015. I’m thinking that Hendrix may be a reach, but offers a strong academic environment that may interest OP’s son and match his potential. The previously mentioned Adams State in Colorado would definitely admit him.

Common App colleges still accepting applications and still having Financial Aid, that would admit a 3.0/27 ACT student:
Augsburg, in Minneapolis; Alfred, NYS; Albion, MI; Bradley, IL; Colby-Sawyer, NH; College of St Benedict, MN; Creighton, NE; Drake, IA; Eckerd, FL; Elizabethtown, PA; Gannon, PA; Gustavus Adolphus, MN; Hartwick, NYS; Hiram, OH; John Carroll, OH; Kettering, MI; Lawrence Tech, MI; Lebanon Valley, PA; Luther, IA; Lycoming, PA; Manhattanville, NYS; Molloy, NYS; NYIT, NYS; Ogglethorpe, GA; Pacific Lutheran, WA; Pine Manor, MA; St Edward’s, TX; Stetson, FL; Stockton U, NJ; SUNY Brockport, SUNY Old Westbury, SUNY Cortland, SUNY Fredonia, SUNY New Paltz, SUNY Polytech; U Evansville, IN; UDubuque, IA; UMaine Farmington; Valparaiso U, IN;

RUN THE NET PRICE CALCULATORS to cull the list above. Get Fee waivers from your son’s former guidance counselor (since it sounds like you could qualify). Have your son work on his college essays already. Then apply to those above using the commonapp and see whether he can get into a college and get sufficient financial aid.

Wow! @MYOS1634 Thank you so much. I could not dream of a more thorough response. Gives me something to do/somewhere to focus. That’s exactly what I need.

His charge didn’t involve drugs, but before this happened we were told we had to be denied for a parent plus loan before he could get a student loan. Is there a way around that?

A clean break is my ideal way forward - a cc with residential halls would be our best option. I will run the net price calculators and pray something falls out!

Thanks again…I needed that glimmer of hope :slight_smile:

He will be allowed to borrow $5,500 in loans in his name. The only way for that figure to be increased is if you were to be declined for a PLUS loan.

“OP’s son may need a clean break with whatever he did, so could he choose a residential college far from his hometown - that’d open more possibilities for him.”

I agree that it is hard to make a fresh start with old friends around. I would want him in a new location. Preferably farther away.

As a caution: if what he did involved violent assault and especially anything of a sexual nature, he may not be accepted into the dorms. However you can research each college’s policy and inquire directly so as to focus your efforts onto colleges where he has a shot for Fall 2015.

We don’t know if what happened had anything to do with the influence of local friends. The idea of going to college away is a way to return to “normal.” But the parents need to be sure it’s the wise choice and whether he might benefit more from some oversight. We don’t know.

And remember, OP said they can afford cc prices.

OP, how is it going? Have you found time to look some things up?

I think I would talk to his attorney - he’s in Juvy - implying he was charged as a minor. Juvenile records are usually not permanent. He might be able to get his record cleared and therefore he could answer “no” on the common ap question. He would probably still need to explain his “gap” year but it might help if he had a clean record.

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WOW! You are blessed to have an honest director. That is so rare.

And what percentage of kids who go to no college end up back in the system? Or go to another college? Comparing apples to apples might be important here.